78 RPM - Al Jolson - Movin' Man, Don't Take My Baby Grand! / Ragging The Baby To Sleep - Victor - USA

78 RPM Record

Artist:	Al Jolson
Label:	Victor
Country:	USA
Catalogue:	17081
Date:	Jun 1912
Format:	10"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	2 Own
Price Guide:	$133
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PRICE GUIDE

$133

Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Al Jolson	Movin' Man, Don't Take My Baby Grand!	Kalmar, Snyder	Rate
B	Al Jolson	Ragging The Baby To Sleep	Gilbert, Muir	Rate

Notes

A side (mx. B-11885, take 1) recorded Camden, NJ, April 17, 1912.
B side (mx. B-11883, take 1) recorded Camden, NJ, April 17, 1912.
Cutout date: January 1923.(DAHR)

Images

Number: 3010735 THUMBNAIL Uploaded By: xiphophilos Edited By: fixbutte Description: Victor 17081 A side label (1912 original)	Number: 3011228 Uploaded By: fixbutte Description: Victor 17081 A side label (1914-1916 repress)	Number: 3011229 Uploaded By: fixbutte Description: Victor 17081 B side label (mid-1916 to fall 1917 repress)	Number: 3010163 HIDDEN Uploaded By: mcchuggernaut Description: Victor 17081 A side label (1914-1916 repress)
Number: 3010164 HIDDEN Uploaded By: mcchuggernaut Description: Victor 17081 B side label (1914-1916 repress)

Comments and Reviews


xiphophilos 12th Oct 2022		Don't you have a little blue [Remove] under the $200 in your valuation, mcchuggernaut? Click on that, and it removes this price. I personally can only remove my own valuations.



Sundius-Larsen SUBS 12th Oct 2022		You can always remove your own valuation.



mcchuggernaut 12th Oct 2022		I have a problem, here: Mine isn't "Near Mint" condition. In "Average" condition it seems to be valued correctly, but the site is showing some kind of estimated value for "mint". If someone can remove my valuation and get it working properly, I would be much obliged. I don't seem to have the option to fix that for some reason?



xiphophilos 20th Jun 2022		Indeed, the record you've uploaded, fixbutte, shows a mix of label styles: Image {3011228} is an early 1914 to mid-1916 Victor Batwing label with price notice "75c. in U. S. A." and with the word VICTOR on the side of Nipper’s gramophone, cf. M. W. Sherman, Collector's Guide to Victor Records, 2nd ed., page 83. Image {3011229} is a mid-1916-Fall 1917 Victor Batwing label with price notice "75c. in U. S. A." but without the word VICTOR on the side of Nipper’s gramophone, cf. M. W. Sherman, Collector's Guide to Victor Records, 2nd ed., page 83. So this must be a mid-1916 repress.



fixbutte 20th Jun 2022		Actually not identical regarding the B-side where the word VICTOR on the side of Nipper’s gramophone is missing (and "febrero 1904" patent is mentioned).



fixbutte 20th Jun 2022		A set of clearer labels of the 1914 to 1916 repress uploaded (so mcchuggernaut's images may be hidden).



xiphophilos 19th Jun 2022		A side:



xiphophilos 19th Jun 2022		B side: Restored:



xiphophilos 19th Jun 2022		The images {3010163} and {3010164} represent an early 1914 to mid-1916 repress on Victor Batwing label with price notice "75c. in U. S. A." and with the word VICTOR on the side of Nipper’s gramophone, cf. M. W. Sherman, Collector's Guide to Victor Records, 2nd ed., page 83. The original release came on a Victor Patent label. A V+ condition copy of the original version sold on eBay for $50 in 2018. A Canadian original in E condition also sold for $50 on eBay, in 2019. Most people on eBay wouldn't be able to distinguish an original from a repress, of course. So in 2009, there was an actual bidding war over a Spring 1918 to Fall 1923 repress on Victor Batwing label without price notice, listing four patents (1903, 1904, 1905, and 1908) in VG condition; 8 bids drove that record up from $5 to $64. That doesn't mean that you won't find this record elsewhere for far less. It's just a matter of looking and time. Al Jolson was a bestselling artist who had 80 hits(!) between 1911 and 1928. That's why almost none of Jolson's records are actually rare. This particular release is reported to have sold 1,069,000 copies!!! between 1912 and 1923 (source). You can bet that more copies of this disc survive than there are people willing to buy them.



xiphophilos 19th Jun 2022		"Could not find a single one sold", but then you value this at $200 "sold price" for a Near Mint copy? Please delete this valuation. Even if this record truly had that much sentimental value for someone, we do need evidence (actual auction sales) that a record has sold for this amount. Just because some hapless soul on eBay demands $200 for it doesn't mean it will ever get sold for this amount. This is the kind of record that I see at estate sales offered for 50 cents to $1. I've cropped the A side image, by the way. The reason why the B side looks so small is that most of the white part of the image still needs to be cropped. If you crop your images to a square without cutting off any of the label rim, your images will be the same size as all the others on the site.



Mike Gann 19th Jun 2022		@mcchuggernaut The reason that you can't find an online value is because records like this sell in social media trade groups for $5-10 almost daily. This item is not particularly rare at all because of the popularity of Al Jolson.