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Artist: Lovin' Sam From Down In 'Bam (Sam Theard) Label:   Brunswick Country: USA Catalogue: 7098 Date: 23 Sep 1929 Format: 10" Collection:   I Own It     I Want It  Community:  1 Owns Price Guide: $20 » Search eBay #AD  » Search Amazon #AD This site contains affiliate links for which we may be compensated.

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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Lovin' Sam From Down In 'Bam (Sam Theard)	The Lover And The Beggar	Theard	Rate
B	Lovin' Sam From Down In 'Bam (Sam Theard)	You Rascal You	Davenport	Rate

Notes

Sam Theard (vocals); with Charles "Cow Cow" Davenport (piano on B); possibly Cicero Thomas (cornet on A); possibly Davenport (piano on A)

A mx. C-3841 recorded July 11, 1929; B mx. C-3852 recorded July 12, 1929
Both sides Brunswick Recording Studio, Furniture Mart Bldg., 666 Lake Shore Dr., Chicago, IL.

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DeweyGill SUBS 22nd Jan 2021		It's still much newer than I am, LOL. I have been looking for the Fancourt book for some time, but at a reasonable price. I'm not paying 500.00 like some of the listings I've seen on Amazon
Mike Gann 22nd Jan 2021		1963 is way out of date. Too many revisions have been made since then.
DeweyGill SUBS 22nd Jan 2021		The Godrich- Dixon book I have 'Blues and Gospel Records 1902-1942' was issued in 1963. It lists the recording dates as June 24 and 25. I will assume their mis- information came from Rust, as he is credited for various contributions on the last page of the book, although it could be the other way around.
DeweyGill SUBS 21st Jan 2021		Fixbutte: I scribble notes and dates in the dead wax with china marker on a lot of my discs. I do have a copy of the Dixon - Godrich book. For curiosities sake, I'll check that tomorrow
Mike Gann 20th Jan 2021		I have removed Dewey's earlier notes, and yes, what I have added are the correct dates. At the time in 1972, when Rust's Jazz Records was revised, a lot of assumptions were being made about recording sessions.
fixbutte 20th Jan 2021		Hi Mike Gann, that's what I hoped for. It seems however that you forgot to remove DeweyGill's original notes: "Recorded June 24th and 25th respectively. Session: Cow Cow Davenport and Cicero Thomas" July 11, 1929 and July 12, 1929 are the correct dates, aren't they?
Mike Gann 20th Jan 2021		In the notes, I have placed the personnel and the recording data from the latest edition of Fancourt's Blues Records which is the definitive source for this record.
fixbutte 20th Jan 2021		As you may have noticed, Brian Rust outsourced this record and most of the older Sam Theard records, see page 1679: Most of this blues singer's records on Brunswick (1929-1931) and Decca (1934) are accompanied by pianists believed to be Cow Cow Davenport or H. Benton Overstreet; occasionally a guitar is added. Those given a jazz band accompaniment are listed below. A complete listing will be found in Blues and Gospel Records, 1890-1943. As I don't have access neither to this book (by Robert M. W. Dixon, John Godrich, Howard Rye) nor to "Vocalion 1000 & Brunswick 7000 Series" by Helge Thygesen and Russell Shor, I cannot say for sure which session dates are correct here (June 24 and 25 or July 11 and 12, 1929). Possibly both sessions did happen and lead to different takes of both sides. I will edit the notes like that until we know better. DeweyGill, I see a "COW COW" on the dead wax of the "You Rascal You" side of your copy. Was it written there by someone later or is engraved in the dead wax?
DeweyGill SUBS 19th Jan 2021		Thanks, Mike!
Mike Gann 19th Jan 2021		@DeweyGill In an effort to get you updated, here's the download for Rust's Jazz and Ragtime Records, the latest and probably the final version. https://78records.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/rust_jazz-records_free-edition-6.pdf
DeweyGill SUBS 18th Jan 2021		Brian Rust's Jazz Discography. Amended 1972 reprint of the 1969 publication. Brian's research has some inaccuracies, but one cannot refute his enormous contribution to the genre. A lot of his research was done in the 1950's and 1960's when company files still existed and were made available to him, and countless interviews with the leaders and musicians themselves who were still living at the time. The latter info is only as accurate as those people's memories and notes. Some kept meticulous notes and ledgers, others relied on sometimes foggier memories. Also, occasionally when two consecutive dates are listed they were often the same session, it just went past midnight and spilled in to the next day. I'm not sure if session ledgers notated this, or if Rust made this distinction on his own
fixbutte 18th Jan 2021		Hi Dewey Gill, I guess we are all somehow "older" here on this site. I will gladly update your notes but before I do so, I'd like to know from where you got your information in this case. Your old source may not be worse than later sources, so it may be useful to add alternative dates and accompanying musicians when we cannot decide which source is correct.
DeweyGill SUBS 18th Jan 2021		Take note I'm an older collector and most of my info comes from publications and discographies that are 50 years old or older. Much of that info has been questioned, further researched and updated, especially when it comes to blues records. So I welcome any updates to any dated information I may enter. I'm not a rabid blues collector, although I love the genre. Over the 60 years of collecting 78's, I have accumulated a decent stash of blues and vintage jazz, although my collection leans heavier in the direction of swing and pre -war dance bands, as this is the fodder for my radio show. I'll try to mix up my entries when I do make submissions. My current focus is getting through my 45's and those entered on 45cat
Mike Gann 18th Jan 2021
Mike Gann 18th Jan 2021
Mike Gann 18th Jan 2021		I've reversed the labels and the track order since the line under the catalog no. on a Brunswick designates the b-side.
fixbutte 18th Jan 2021		Session dates are also dubious. Whereas Lovin' Sam From Down In 'Bam (1929-1930) says 11 July 1929 for "The Lover And The Beggar" and 12 July 1929 for "You Rascal You", Discogs says "Mx. C3841 - Recorded on June 24, 1929 in Chicago, IL". for "The Lover And The Beggar" on this record here (apparently taken from the book "Vocalion 1000 & Brunswick 7000 Series" by Helge Thygesen and Russell Shor), and you propose "Recorded June 24th and 25th respectively" for the two sides.
fixbutte 18th Jan 2021		Re your notes: There is only a piano player on "You Rascal You" who appears to be Cow Cow Davenport because he is credited as the composer on the record label. (Strangely, all cover versions, even the early ones from the 1920s, give the credit to Sam Theard - who definitely contributed the lyrics.) "The Lover And The Beggar" has an additional cornet player who may be Cicero Thomas although this is only a guess.
fixbutte 18th Jan 2021		An excellent record to start with. "You Rascal You", actually the B-side of this record, would become a jazz standard, made immortal especially by Louis Armstrong.with the extended title "I'll Be Glad When You're Dead, You Rascal You".
DeweyGill SUBS 17th Jan 2021		After I finish with the 45's, I'll start adding 78's. Looks like a huge project though, it appears I'll have about 20,000 to add. Hopefully the site will fill in a bit by then

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