78 RPM - The Crickets - That'll Be The Day / I'm Lookin' For Someone To Love - Vogue Coral - UK

78 RPM Record

Artist:	The Crickets
Label:	Vogue Coral
Country:	UK
Catalogue:	Q.72279
Date:	Sep 1957
Format:	10"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	59 Own, 4 Want
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	The Crickets	That'll Be The Day	Allison, Holly, Petty	9.6 Rate
B	The Crickets	I'm Lookin' For Someone To Love	Holly, Petty	9.0 Rate

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Later copies issued on Coral with the same cat# here.

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dunk78 15th Jul 2023



Whyperion SUBS 18th Sep 2022



An6y66 30th Oct 2013		slight variant added where the matrix numbers over the catalogue number is further to the left than the other labels



TheJudge 24th Aug 2013		Coral labels now moved to their own entry here



TheJudge 23rd Aug 2013		The entry for this release on 45cat prompts the same question. I've asked my fellow mods there for their opinions; what we do with the one will dictate what we do with the other.



An6y66 21st Aug 2013		Should the coral label be its own entry as coral is a different label to vogue coral.



lorangrecords SUBS 22nd Jul 2013		I would say that the "M" is the stamper code. Even the "H" on the other mentioned record here. Decca for sure used the so called "BUCKINGHAM" method for their stampers.



lorangrecords SUBS 15th Jul 2013



Alan Warby 2nd Jul 2013		Reached Number 1 in the NME charts, 27 Sep 1957. It was also awarded a Gold Disc.



the Flea 23rd May 2013		Just seen another copy that is basically the same as the"Alternate" copy above but has brackets around both matrix'



Whyperion SUBS 10th May 2013		Checking other Vogue Coral ( the Coral USA issues have names separated by - ) . labels on 45cat , the typesetting is the same , but generally they use , between twin composer credits but used a ; on another record one in Sept 1957 , so it might just have been how they read it in the typesetting department , spooky though.



the Flea 10th May 2013		We know this but would Coral ? I have doubts that Coral would really care who did or did not have writing credit as long as all the writers got credit (deserved or otherwise).



Whyperion SUBS 10th May 2013		At a guess because Allison, Holly wrote the song/s , Petty at best 'arranged' , I suppose code that the writing credits Norman Petty claimed on his signed acts ( for more royalties ) were dubious.



the Flea 10th May 2013		Does anyone know why there's a comma after Allison and a semi-colon after Holly ?



KeithS SUBS ● 10th May 2013		Thanks it took some finding but this turned up 30 Dec. 50 DTP price increase CT+IP on Decca (also AT stamps)



Whyperion SUBS 10th May 2013		Decca Group +1P Is a tax code



KeithS SUBS ● 10th May 2013		Todays (Friday) top 50 has a Moe Koffman London disc from 1958 with "M" on it and other Decca pressings have stange codes added to the labels like "+ IP" Without getting hold of someone who worked at Deccas pressing plant, we're never going to know



the Flea 10th May 2013		Yes, XT came into force on 1st June 1957. So either the record was made prior to June and the M designates an additional levy (M for More perhaps). Or the record was made after 1st June, the engineers at Coral chose to ignore the tax code change and put the M on the label to signify the change in tax. The latter seems unlikely to me, they could have lost their jobs ignoring tax changes. The former sounds odd in that why would Coral make a single then wait 4 months to release it. Unless of course we have our dates wrong and the single was released almost simultaneously with the American release???



lorangrecords SUBS 9th May 2013		In september 1957 the tax code was XT. It started in the summer the same year. Maybe RT still was used, but it started already in the summer 1955. I belive.



the Flea 9th May 2013		The tax code for 1957 was RT and this can just be seen on the That'll Be The Day side of the record. The full runout markings are thus:- I'm Looking For Someone To Love side:- 12 noon: 3pm: KB 6pm: CA VC-102021-1 9pm: 1 That'll Be The Day side:- 12 noon: RT 3pm: BN 6pm: CA VC-102022-1 9pm: 2 The CA is missing on some of the records and RT might be missing on some of the records, its very faintly stamped on the ones I can see it on.



Whyperion SUBS 8th May 2013		It could be a Buckingham Code ( fits with the H on Teresa Brewer ) , but why the other labels dont have it is more of a mystery , but maybe it is supossed to be a W , just cos it does not look like one as we may think , the person feeding the stamper might have picked up the wrong letter punch as it would be in reverse ? or mis read the typists notes for the change of tax code. Possibly too an older stamper brought into use with the popularity of the track sending the demand higher than anticipated ?



the Flea 8th May 2013		Nothing in the runoff area is different to the non-M versions. I have had a look at my other copies in strong light, just to see if there was a faint M, but nothing. I think it just happens to be sheer luck that my four copies have M on the same track. I've seen two Teresa Brewer 78's (London, April 1956), 1 with a letter M on the "A" side and the other with it on the "B" side. There is no mention anywhere of an M tax code Digging further, there is a letter H on both sides of teresa Brewer's 1950 record "Copenhagen".



the Flea 8th May 2013		Hi YD, thanks for the comment but to me it's deffo an M, the legs are perpendicular whereas a W's legs would be angled. And it is an embossed letter, slightly raised so the black ink of the paper has been rubbed away over time.



YankeeDisc SUBS 8th May 2013		....comin' at ya from the 45cat.com forum post, I now see the upside down 'M' (as it appears) on scan #14828, and it looks very much like an embossing, used on many EMI pressings in the '60s. Trouble is, this is a Decca pressing, unless I am mistaken, and I don't think they used embossings on their pressings, but left Resale Tax codes as part of the printed paper label information. A long shot, but what about 'W' tax code (WT- Aug 1st 1960 - July 25th 1961), alas my expertise is not with 78's, and I doubt any were being pressed as late as 1960...... ....I've just checked.....they were still being produced in 1960 and beyond....how 'bout that.....



mickey rat 8th May 2013		I'd guess the "copyright control" on both sides would be first pressing, the "copyright control" on one side the second pressing, and "Southern" both sides the third pressing - all within a very short period of time. All 45 pressings so far at 45cat have "Southern" both sides so were probably pressed a little after the first couple of 78 runs. Norman Petty registered both songs in America through his Nor Va Jak publishing company (altho not mentioned on U.S. Brunswick labels). No way Nor Va Jak would have had a British outlet initially and a deal would have been made with Southern in the U.K. as soon as it was obvious the record was going to be a seller. Southern probably did very nicely with sheet music too in the U.K.



the Flea 7th May 2013		Purely a matrix reason. That'll be the Day is generally concidered the "A" side but the lower matrix gets my vote every time ;)



bigtom 7th May 2013		Is there some reason as to why That'll Be The Day is not listed as the A side. ?



the Flea 7th May 2013		Lets see if I can get this right:- 1st disc has no brackets around the matrix numbers and both sides are by Southern 2nd disc has brackets only around side 2 matrix and only side 2 is by Copyright Control 3rd disc has brackets around both matrix' and both sides are Copyright Control Now obviously disc 2 side 2 and disc 3 side 2 are the same but disc 3 side 2 has a letter "M" very close to the spindle (directly under the"C" of Coral). Is this a tax letter ?