I'll be surprised if this sells in any quantity. Let's face it, you only really need the first two, and "Plastic Ono Band" doesn't need to be high fidelity. Still, good to see them.
A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator
The one thing that caught me is the labels being used. You have the original Apple LPs and then you have Double Fantasy on Geffen, which is owned by Universal now also, but at the time was with Warners, which now owns Parlophone, which was at the time a part of EMI which distributed Apple. Then to top it off, Double Fantasy also says under license to Capitol, while the Apple ones are Calderstone. I wonder if they used a Polydor label for Milk and Honey?
Bottom line is that any more labels are almost meaningless. This kinda stuff is why I'm a socialist!
A total waste of time and vinyl in my opinion since the original pressings aren't exactly scarce. Lennon solo is rather depressing since it's way too uneven and lumpy. "Plastic Ono Band" is the only keeper for me. The rest can be condensed to one album of highlights. The world does NOT need new vinyl pressings of "Some Time in New York City", "Rock and Roll" and "Milk and Honey" - has it ever occurred to anybody that maybe combining "Double Fantasy" and "Milk and Honey" featuring just the John tracks and no Yoko might be a sensible idea?
The ping pong game with labels is downright absurd. How the Hell is it that Universal owns MCA and Chess Records but reissue Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry on GEFFEN? I find that senseless and offensive.
Come on Universal... when are you gonna celebrate Ringo Starr's induction into the "rock and roll hall of fame" with a vinyl box set containing all EIGHTEEN solo albums he's made?
Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4156 Points
Jock_Girl wrote:
The one thing that caught me is the labels being used. You have the original Apple LPs and then you have Double Fantasy on Geffen, which is owned by Universal now also, but at the time was with Warners, which now owns Parlophone, which was at the time a part of EMI which distributed Apple. Then to top it off, Double Fantasy also says under license to Capitol, while the Apple ones are Calderstone. I wonder if they used a Polydor label for Milk and Honey?
Bottom line is that any more labels are almost meaningless. This kinda stuff is why I'm a socialist!
A total waste of time and vinyl in my opinion since the original pressings aren't exactly scarce.
I know what you mean, but I kinda think the more records that are made the better!
True, but make them worthy! Press new editions of albums that aren't that easy to find. I find it utterly absurd that there are people who will pay over £20 for a new pressing of something like Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" when there are zillions of copies to be found in chazzas!
Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7198 Points Moderator
biffbampow wrote:
Orbiting Cat wrote:
biffbampow wrote:
A total waste of time and vinyl in my opinion since the original pressings aren't exactly scarce.
I know what you mean, but I kinda think the more records that are made the better!
True, but make them worthy! Press new editions of albums that aren't that easy to find. I find it utterly absurd that there are people who will pay over £20 for a new pressing of something like Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" when there are zillions of copies to be found in chazzas!
Not that many - I've been after an upgrade for my scratchy knackered copy for ages! It'll turn up eventually tho I'm sure.
Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points
biffbampow wrote:
A total waste of time and vinyl in my opinion since the original pressings aren't exactly scarce. Lennon solo is rather depressing since it's way too uneven and lumpy. "Plastic Ono Band" is the only keeper for me. The rest can be condensed to one album of highlights. The world does NOT need new vinyl pressings of "Some Time in New York City", "Rock and Roll" and "Milk and Honey" - has it ever occurred to anybody that maybe combining "Double Fantasy" and "Milk and Honey" featuring just the John tracks and no Yoko might be a sensible idea?
The ping pong game with labels is downright absurd. How the Hell is it that Universal owns MCA and Chess Records but reissue Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry on GEFFEN? I find that senseless and offensive.
Come on Universal... when are you gonna celebrate Ringo Starr's induction into the "rock and roll hall of fame" with a vinyl box set containing all EIGHTEEN solo albums he's made?
Aah, some of you are coming around to the way I see the recording industry(not entirely, but partially). As I see it, companies like Universal, and Warner too, if it comes to this, need to have their rabid and rampant acquisition of other companies severely curtailed. The ownership "clock" on record labels should be wound back to 1965. EMI would have its Columbia/Parlophone/HMV/Stateside grouping, plus Motown, Capitol, Roulette and other labels, as an example, MCA would have Brunswick/Decca/Coral, and that would be its lot. If not wound back to 1965, then at least 1983, the advent of the CD. Whatever labels held and issued by whichever companies, that's where label ownership would be FROZEN. Companies would only be permitted to launch new in-house labels(budget issue labels perhaps) but would be FORBIDDEN from swallowing up other companies.
There's got to be room for all record companies, large and small, to exist together in the marketplace WITHOUT the threat of being swallowed up in one gulp by the larger companies.
There's got to be room for all record companies, large and small, to exist together in the marketplace WITHOUT the threat of being swallowed up in one gulp by the larger companies.
Some may think I'm a conspiracy theorist but I do reckon we'll end up with just one company owning the entire lot which in turn will get swallowed up by Google sometime over the next twenty years. The way Google keep silently expanding and making tons of money, all the while trashing all copyright laws that stand in their way is disturbing.
Google have done absolutely NOTHING to stop music piracy. Go to Blogger and there's tons of music blogs rampantly giving away everything. Google's DMCA system is a disgrace and is deliberately as long winded and awkward as possible. Oh... they might take two weeks before they even look at your DMCA and that's several thousand more possible sales lost... and all the while, Google keep raking in the revenue from ads.
True, but make them worthy! Press new editions of albums that aren't that easy to find. I find it utterly absurd that there are people who will pay over £20 for a new pressing of something like Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" when there are zillions of copies to be found in chazzas!
But many people like to buy new things, not things that have already been owned by someone else. If the vinyl revival is real, then people should be able to go into a music shop and buy brand new vinyl copies of their favourite albums.
A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator
biffbampow wrote:
Google's DMCA system is a disgrace and is deliberately as long winded and awkward as possible
Yet, youtube (owned by google), smacked a friend of mine. He uploaded a 90 minute aircheck of Atlantic 252. Within 2 weeks it was taken down under protest from Sony and Universal! This is garbage. As if a crackly lo-fi longwave radio station aircheck would in any way affect their sales.
Orbiting Cat wrote:
But many people like to buy new things, not things that have already been owned by someone else. If the vinyl revival is real, then people should be able to go into a music shop and buy brand new vinyl copies of their favourite albums.
The biz continues to kill itself. The death started with the end of the 45 rpm single. Until the 80s you could go out and buy the latest 45 and if you liked it buy the lp. That got replaced with those crappy cassette singles. Now-a-days, I have no idea what a single is.
And the reissues are over-priced vanity items. Its almost as if they are designed to be NOT played.
If they got back to the beauty of a vinyl record, and bins well stocked in stores, it would not suffer the way it is now
If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator
Let's face it... 90% of John Lennon's solo work is awful.
(My opinion... but I thik a lot of people would agree if they could overcome their Beatles loyalties)
I think we want it to be great, because it came from him... but I'd have to say that outside of The Beatles, George Harrison & Paul McCartney solo work (& Wings) are far more likely to make it onto the turntable with greater frequency than John Lennon's work. (Acknowledgements of course to Ringo).
And you can pick up pretty much mint, and virtually un-played copies of all this very cheap in charity stores (Which is saying something in itself).
Google's DMCA system is a disgrace and is deliberately as long winded and awkward as possible
Yet, youtube (owned by google), smacked a friend of mine. He uploaded a 90 minute aircheck of Atlantic 252. Within 2 weeks it was taken down under protest from Sony and Universal! This is garbage. As if a crackly lo-fi longwave radio station aircheck would in any way affect their sales.
Yep... that kind of thing has happened to me... it's bizarre how their "filters" pluck out the most obscure "copyright" on the most obscure things yet they happily allow people to post stuff from major labels with no trouble which strongly suggests to me they're in bed with Google.
Jock_Girl wrote:
And the reissues are over-priced vanity items. Its almost as if they are designed to be NOT played.
If they got back to the beauty of a vinyl record, and bins well stocked in stores, it would not suffer the way it is now
Wholeheartedly agree. Reissues are nothing more than overpriced vanity items. I'll bet over half the people who buy them NEVER PLAY THEM and just have them on display to show off. I don't GET that sort of attitude. I buy records because I want and intend to PLAY THEM. Even the rarest items... I just take much more care when I play them, but at least I do give them a spin and derive pleasure from that and the music. If I have no intention of ever playing something, I don't buy it - it's a waste of money - records are meant to be played and enjoyed.
Magic Marmalade wrote:
Let's face it... 90% of John Lennon's solo work is awful.
(My opinion... but I thik a lot of people would agree if they could overcome their Beatles loyalties)
That's the problem - that old Beatles loyalty. Because they were so wonderful, then the solo albums cannot possibly be awful... funny because Ringo's albums have and continue to get slated and ridiculed, Macca and Harrison's are treated with caution by comparison whereas the great Lennon, it's almost sacrilege to suggest his solo stuff was awful. But as he himself wrote and demanded "Gimme some truth" and the truth is sadly, most of his solo work was crap. I'm willing to bet that if he was still alive, he'd be dismissive of them as well like he was with a lot of Beatles stuff!
Magic Marmalade wrote:
And you can pick up pretty much mint, and virtually un-played copies of all this very cheap in charity stores (Which is saying something in itself).
That's what baffles me about this new set. It's utterly pointless when like you say, you can get the originals in mint condition for much lower prices than this new set will cost. You can be certain it won't be cheap! A total waste of good vinyl and cardboard.
A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator
biffbampow wrote:
That's what baffles me about this new set. It's utterly pointless when like you say, you can get the originals in mint condition for much lower prices than this new set will cost. You can be certain it won't be cheap! A total waste of good vinyl and cardboard.
Ah -- but the mystique of that heavyweight 180g audiophile vinyl! Yeah right. Gramophone - cat - leap - screeeeech! Your heavyweight 180g audiophile vinyl digitally mastered lp suddenly sounds as good as a nackered original
Ah -- but the mystique of that heavyweight 180g audiophile vinyl! Yeah right. Gramophone - cat - leap - screeeeech! Your heavyweight 180g audiophile vinyl digitally mastered lp suddenly sounds as good as a nackered original
Amy
Yeah... and for all the wondertalk of heavyweight vinyl, digitally remastered and all that jazz, it still doesn't make the music any better!
I wouldn't say most of Lennon's solo stuff was crap. The avant-garde albums are a matter of taste, but the first two proper albums have some great tracks on. The rest is average for me, but there are some good songs nevertheless - Instant Karma, Mind Games, Beautiful Boy, Power To The People etc. They all float my boat.
I wouldn't say most of Lennon's solo stuff was crap. The avant-garde albums are a matter of taste, but the first two proper albums have some great tracks on. The rest is average for me, but there are some good songs nevertheless - Instant Karma, Mind Games, Beautiful Boy, Power To The People etc. They all float my boat.
There's enough good stuff on the non-Avant Garde albums (I actually LIKE "Two Virgins") to fill one album to complement the "Plastic Ono Band" one. I know "Imagine" is regarded as a goodie but a good half of it I can personally live without. "Instant Karma" was probably his best moment - great song and vibe which is more than I can say for anything he did during his "lost weekend" era.
Different strokes for different folks I guess, but it frustrates me in Lennon's case since he's a major hero of mine but I can't stomach much of what he did beyond 1971.
Harrison's All Things Must Pass I think is fantastic, but then he massively slumped.
Macca never really came good for me, although I appreciate the Band on the Run and Tug of War albums. I also like the much maligned Wildlife album more than almost all his others. Intermittently, he was great, but between the goodies like Maybe I'm Amazed and With A Little Luck we got Mary Had A Little Lamb and C Moon etc etc etc.
Ringo. Photograph single - that's about it, for me.
They needed each other, even if John and George would never have admitted it.