If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator
Mind you, it is a fascination in itself to hear one band member away from the group... you get to hear exactly what they bring to the collective, and what shortcomings they have that were made up for by the other band members.
To me, it seems that McCartney added the melodious qualities, and made the invention and substance of Lennon's qualities palatable to a broad audience, which, as his solo work proves, can get too serious and self indulgent but McCartney alone can get a bit too saccharine without that substance of Lennon's to make it a more satisfying experience listening to them.
Harrison obviously throws in the odd belter to elevate the group and occasionally throw in some meditative relief.... and let's face it, Ringo's drumming (Or drum sound at least) really pushed the whole thing along.
You only hear this with the Beatles after they split, But a band like Pink Floyd, with band members in and out while they were going, offers the chance to hear what each brought to the group within the context of the band while it was happening. The same can be said for Crosby, Stills, Nash (and Young), who I love, but without Stills at least (On those Crosby- Nash moments, it's a little too twee for my tastes), they lack an edge.
There have been the odd gems on the Lennon albums- I like: I Know, for instance, but he is very difficult to listen to most of the time without grimacing, and feeling a little sad and embarrassed (When you hear him whining about his mother when A Day In The Life is rolling about in the back of your mind, the contrast is excruciating).
Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points
I have a US-issue of Lennon's 1973 "Mind Games" LP which I bought in that year. I bought it because it was an American pressing(exotic) . If it had been a run-of-the-mill Aussie issue, I don't think I'd have bothered with it, to be honest. To listen to the tracks, I wish I hadn't bought it. The tracks show his excessive obsession with Yoko Ono, as much of his post-Beatles self-composed stuff did. A few of his gems("Imagine", being one) got away from that obsession but on the whole, his works showed he was really hung up on that talentless twerp.
Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points
biffbampow wrote:
Neil Forbes wrote:
There's got to be room for all record companies, large and small, to exist together in the marketplace WITHOUT the threat of being swallowed up in one gulp by the larger companies.
Some may think I'm a conspiracy theorist but I do reckon we'll end up with just one company owning the entire lot which in turn will get swallowed up by Google sometime over the next twenty years. The way Google keep silently expanding and making tons of money, all the while trashing all copyright laws that stand in their way is disturbing.
Google have done absolutely NOTHING to stop music piracy. Go to Blogger and there's tons of music blogs rampantly giving away everything. Google's DMCA system is a disgrace and is deliberately as long winded and awkward as possible. Oh... they might take two weeks before they even look at your DMCA and that's several thousand more possible sales lost... and all the while, Google keep raking in the revenue from ads.
Biffbampow, you've hit the nail on the head! Universal(MCA) seems hell-bent on owning the recording(mechanical) and sheet music rights to everything ever recorded, even if it means gulping down BMG, Sony, Warner, Festival(Australia) and any other company they can get their ever-so-greedy hands on, then Google will just gulp the lot down in one byte...er.. bite! But seriously, this needs to be stopped, even if draconian measures are brought in to do so. As for marketing music. the internet SHOULD PLAY ABSOLUTELY NO PART WHATSOEVER! Music should be sold exclusively by the good old "bricks & mortar" shop in the high street, whether its on CD or vinyl, or even cassettes(let's face it, the mini-disc system, while useful in community radio stations for corporate sponsorship spots or station promo's and identification spots, never really "took off" as a medium for music distribution, did it?). At least that way, gainful employment could be offered to those who have a passion for music in any genre.
Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points
Jock_Girl wrote:
biffbampow wrote:
Google's DMCA system is a disgrace and is deliberately as long winded and awkward as possible
Yet, youtube (owned by google), smacked a friend of mine. He uploaded a 90 minute aircheck of Atlantic 252. Within 2 weeks it was taken down under protest from Sony and Universal! This is garbage. As if a crackly lo-fi longwave radio station aircheck would in any way affect their sales.
Orbiting Cat wrote:
But many people like to buy new things, not things that have already been owned by someone else. If the vinyl revival is real, then people should be able to go into a music shop and buy brand new vinyl copies of their favourite albums.
The biz continues to kill itself. The death started with the end of the 45 rpm single. Until the 80s you could go out and buy the latest 45 and if you liked it buy the lp. That got replaced with those crappy cassette singles. Now-a-days, I have no idea what a single is.
And the reissues are over-priced vanity items. Its almost as if they are designed to be NOT played.
If they got back to the beauty of a vinyl record, and bins well stocked in stores, it would not suffer the way it is now
Amy
Amy(Jock-Girl), the "single" is, was, and forever will be, the good old 45rpm vinyl disc we all know, love and celebrate on the sister website to this one, 45cat.com!
Biffbampow, you've hit the nail on the head! Universal(MCA) seems hell-bent on owning the recording(mechanical) and sheet music rights to everything ever recorded, even if it means gulping down BMG, Sony, Warner, Festival(Australia) and any other company they can get their ever-so-greedy hands on, then Google will just gulp the lot down in one byte...er.. bite! But seriously, this needs to be stopped, even if draconian measures are brought in to do so. As for marketing music. the internet SHOULD PLAY ABSOLUTELY NO PART WHATSOEVER! Music should be sold exclusively by the good old "bricks & mortar" shop in the high street, whether its on CD or vinyl, or even cassettes(let's face it, the mini-disc system, while useful in community radio stations for corporate sponsorship spots or station promo's and identification spots, never really "took off" as a medium for music distribution, did it?). At least that way, gainful employment could be offered to those who have a passion for music in any genre.
Thank you for the compliment and making me realise I'm not alone in how I think and feel about these issues.
Sadly, I hate to admit it but the 21st Century has sucked BIG TIME as far as music goes... and not just the music itself but the way it's marketed, manufactured, hyped and treated as mere "product" hence why the big swallow ups keep going on until it's owned by just one company.
19 years ago I was featured in my then local paper burying a time capsule and in there was a music magazine I bought which discussed the possibilities of this emerging "internet thing" - my predictions to the paper were way off the mark since I stated it would be great for musicians. I was wrong.
Napster was the BIG moment where the music industry screwed up BIG TIME. Napster was people's message to the music industry that they felt ripped off and the way the industry reacted was absurd. The way the same incompetents have reacted to Google's blatant disregard of copyright is shameful. Then there's the digital music scam as many older artistes were alarmed by shrinking royalty statements. Sure, they're selling downloads and generating revenue from streams BUT the music corporates waved their old contracts at them and pointed out "there's no mention of downloads or digital streaming so you're entitled to NOTHING" has sent out the worst possible message. And what do they invest in? The same old crap - stuff for teens and if you're older, hey here's "Dark Side Of The Moon" for the 348th time.
What I've been mortified to witness - I'm a singer and songwriter - is how Creativity has become completely devalued. Once upon a time it was possible to make some kind of a living but now? Impossible. You sell one CD, one bozo rips and "shares" it online with the help of Google and you're not getting any sales. Toss in the "pay to play" scam, to be a musician now is futile if you want to play original music. What... you want to make some money to help pay for costs? Recording doesn't come cheap, neither does making product but everybody now expects you to do everything for FREE. How am I gonna afford to eat, let alone pay to make a new demo?
As for "passion", I know I'm in good company across these 45worlds. I know most who contribute have that passion because we all grew up with it when music really was IMPORTANT. Now, it's just a disposable commodity and treated as aural wallpaper. Who actually sits down and listens to an album all the way through without multitasking? I do... I like to sit down, put on a good album and for the next 40 odd minutes that gets nothing but my complete attention. Unfortunately these days, I doubt most youngsters do that... Farcebook and Twitter are far more important. Attention spans have become almost non-existent.
The times they are a changing and unfortunately the way things have "progressed" in the 21st Century so far, the future looks ever bleaker as far as creativity and music goes. I'm just glad I was able to enjoy what I did when music actually mattered.
My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4533 Points Moderator
When I started this thread I did it really to just let people know about the new release of a John Lennon Boxed Set. Nothing more. I didn't expect it to go off in different directions as it has done. Once a thread is started I realise it can go in any direction and there is no control over that, but I just want to celebrate John Lennon's music (clearly I am biased) and not take pot shots at his wife, the state of the vinyl market, the record label conglomerates etc.
Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points
Magic Marmalade wrote:
Let's face it... 90% of John Lennon's solo work is awful.
(My opinion... but I thik a lot of people would agree if they could overcome their Beatles loyalties)
I think we want it to be great, because it came from him... but I'd have to say that outside of The Beatles, George Harrison & Paul McCartney solo work (& Wings) are far more likely to make it onto the turntable with greater frequency than John Lennon's work. (Acknowledgements of course to Ringo).
And you can pick up pretty much mint, and virtually un-played copies of all this very cheap in charity stores (Which is saying something in itself).
I agree with you, MM. I bought a copy of Lennon's "Mind Games" on a US copy imported into Australia. I only bought it for the fact it was imported. Listening to it was a drudge, his lyrics are obsessed with Yoko Ono, blamed, quite rightly by many for breaking up The Beatles. Lennon had his moments but if you could pick the most outstanding tracks of his career, they'd amount to a 45rpm EP at most.
Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points
Frankly the internet itself is the greatest enemy the music industry has! Music should only be sold by the TRADITIONAL method! Through the shop in the main street of the city or town, be it on vinyl LP, EP or single or on CD(but only full albums on CD - if just two or three tracks, stick 'em on 45rpm! Don't waste a CD's capacity to hold 80 minutes of content on something that's only going to add up to 15 minutes at most). This would have the double benefit of keeping alive formats that should never have been allowed to die out(the LP, EP and single) as well as providing employment particularly to enthusiastic youngsters who know their music. Forget downloading! The most that should be seen on the "Net" is the album cover on a shop's website with a track-list in an on-line catalogue. See it there, then toddle off to your favourite shop and buy it!
Lennon had his moments but if you could pick the most outstanding tracks of his career, they'd amount to a 45rpm EP at most.
That's a bit harsh. A single LP maybe. There are genuine highlights on the Plastic Ono Band and Imagine albums (off the top of my head, "Isolation", "Working Class Hero", "Hold On", "I Found Out", "Jealous Guy", "Gimme Some Truth", "How", "Oh My Love"). Add the best of the rest ("Instant Karma", "Mind Games", etc) and you have a fair body of work.
Nothing compared to the Beatles, but then, who can compare to them?
Years ago, I heard a Lennon interview where he said that on the last few albums it was like each member was doing solo material and the rest of the band was his back up band, so, if those that are distraught over The Beatles' break-up want more Beatles albums, all they have to do is take a few songs from each of their solo albums and compile their own "new Beatles" albums. So, I at least got as far as doing that on paper, starting with the first one to release a solo, then the next, etc. (George, John, Paul, Ringo), and, keeping all the songs in the original order they appeared on the solo albums, and making each set last the length of an album, it made an interesting prospective!! So far, I have never gotten around to actually compiling such albums, but, maybe someday.
Album 1/A
1. Microbes
2. Two Virgins (Part 1)
3. The Lovely Linda
4. Sentimental Journey
5. Red Lady Too
1/B
1. Two Virgins (Part Two)
2. That Would Be Something
3. Night And Day
4. Tabla And Pakavaj
2/A
1. Cambridge 1969
2/B
1. Valentine Day
2. Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)
3. In The Park
4. No Bed For Beatle John
5. Every Night
6. Bye Bye Blackbird
7. Drilling A Home
8. Baby's Heartbeat
Years ago, I heard a Lennon interview where he said that on the last few albums it was like each member was doing solo material and the rest of the band was his back up band, so, if those that are distraught over The Beatles' break-up want more Beatles albums, all they have to do is take a few songs from each of their solo albums and compile their own "new Beatles" albums. So, I at least got as far as doing that on paper, starting with the first one to release a solo, then the next, etc. (George, John, Paul, Ringo), and, keeping all the songs in the original order they appeared on the solo albums, and making each set last the length of an album, it made an interesting prospective!! So far, I have never gotten around to actually compiling such albums, but, maybe someday.
Album 1/A
1. Microbes
2. Two Virgins (Part 1)
3. The Lovely Linda
4. Sentimental Journey
5. Red Lady Too
1/B
1. Two Virgins (Part Two)
2. That Would Be Something
3. Night And Day
4. Tabla And Pakavaj
2/A
1. Cambridge 1969
2/B
1. Valentine Day
2. Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)
3. In The Park
4. No Bed For Beatle John
5. Every Night
6. Bye Bye Blackbird
7. Drilling A Home
8. Baby's Heartbeat
Etc..
There was a pretty standard formula for Beatles albums. It wasn't absolute in every case, but usually applies - and that's two George tracks, one Ringo vocal, and the rest between John and Paul. So if I were compiling an imaginary Beatles album, that's what I'd do, to make it more 'real'.
Album 1/A
1. Microbes
2. Two Virgins (Part 1)
3. The Lovely Linda
4. Sentimental Journey
5. Red Lady Too
1/B
1. Two Virgins (Part Two)
2. That Would Be Something
3. Night And Day
4. Tabla And Pakavaj
2/A
1. Cambridge 1969
2/B
1. Valentine Day
2. Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)
3. In The Park
4. No Bed For Beatle John
5. Every Night
6. Bye Bye Blackbird
7. Drilling A Home
8. Baby's Heartbeat
Etc..
The Beatles wouldn't have had to split up if they released these two albums, their career would have been killed stone dead! I can just imagine Macca giving over one side of a Beatles album to "Cambridge 1969".
Years ago, I heard a Lennon interview where he said that on the last few albums it was like each member was doing solo material and the rest of the band was his back up band, so, if those that are distraught over The Beatles' break-up want more Beatles albums, all they have to do is take a few songs from each of their solo albums and compile their own "new Beatles" albums. So, I at least got as far as doing that on paper, starting with the first one to release a solo, then the next, etc. (George, John, Paul, Ringo), and, keeping all the songs in the original order they appeared on the solo albums, and making each set last the length of an album, it made an interesting prospective!! So far, I have never gotten around to actually compiling such albums, but, maybe someday.
Album 1/A
1. Microbes
2. Two Virgins (Part 1)
3. The Lovely Linda
4. Sentimental Journey
5. Red Lady Too
1/B
1. Two Virgins (Part Two)
2. That Would Be Something
3. Night And Day
4. Tabla And Pakavaj
2/A
1. Cambridge 1969
2/B
1. Valentine Day
2. Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)
3. In The Park
4. No Bed For Beatle John
5. Every Night
6. Bye Bye Blackbird
7. Drilling A Home
8. Baby's Heartbeat
Etc..
There was a pretty standard formula for Beatles albums. It wasn't absolute in every case, but usually applies - and that's two George tracks, one Ringo vocal, and the rest between John and Paul. So if I were compiling an imaginary Beatles album, that's what I'd do, to make it more 'real'.
Yes, I know, and you could do it that way, but, on one hand, it'd be more interesting my way and, on the other hand, doing it your way, you'd run out of John's stuff LONG before anybody else's.
Album 1/A
1. Microbes
2. Two Virgins (Part 1)
3. The Lovely Linda
4. Sentimental Journey
5. Red Lady Too
1/B
1. Two Virgins (Part Two)
2. That Would Be Something
3. Night And Day
4. Tabla And Pakavaj
2/A
1. Cambridge 1969
2/B
1. Valentine Day
2. Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)
3. In The Park
4. No Bed For Beatle John
5. Every Night
6. Bye Bye Blackbird
7. Drilling A Home
8. Baby's Heartbeat
Etc..
The Beatles wouldn't have had to split up if they released these two albums, their career would have been killed stone dead! I can just imagine Macca giving over one side of a Beatles album to "Cambridge 1969".
Turning rebellion into money since 1962 Member since Nov 2009 6566 Points Moderator
Bought the box set on behalf of a friend last month. Had this email through today:
Hi Steven,
This email is regarding your Fishpond.com order 978xxxx14 for the title "Lennon".
We have been notified by the supplier that there is a quality recall for this item due to a duplicate track error.
To claim a corrected copy, you just need to contact the supplier directly via the following link:
http://claim.lennonvinylbox.com
If you would prefer to return this item to us for a full refund instead, please fill out our online returns form and follow the instructions for return at the link below: