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| 23rd Nov 2016, 3:54 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25248 Points Administrator | Hello, We've decided to start 'official' homes for us to log, debate and upload etc. the various generic record company and record shop sleeves made for 78rpms. Record label ones can be added here... Company Sleeves: 78rpm And record shop ones can be added here... Company Sleeves: Record Shops  |
| 15th Sep 2017, 9:02 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | HI, first post here, to thank you for that ! I was desperately looking for informations on various company sleeves, that I kind of collect beside collecting 78s. That will be very helpfull. Good idea, and thanks again ! |
| 15th Sep 2017, 10:52 AM | #3 REPORT | |
| Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25248 Points Administrator |  |
| 15th Sep 2017, 1:22 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | How do you find the time frame of a sleeve when there is no evidence (like releases announcements etc) ? |
| 15th Sep 2017, 7:11 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Are you asking how you can find out yourself, or asking how others know what they know? |
| 16th Sep 2017, 11:24 AM | #6 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator |
j.monk wrote:
How do you find the time frame of a sleeve when there is no evidence (like releases announcements etc) ?
There are no easy answers for 78 sleeves in general, so you will have to do some research. Many of the entries have 'Notes' or comments giving a release date for one or more of the records. Look also at the 'Useful Links' topic in the 78 Forum where you may find complete date information for some of the labels If you do find any complete dates, please add them to the comments for that sleeve Edited by Juke Jules on 16th Sep 2017, 11:29 AM |
| 16th Sep 2017, 3:58 PM | #7 REPORT | |
 | xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3351 Points Moderator | I'm glad to hear that you are also interested in sleeves and hope you'll add your collection to our growing database at http://www.45spaces.com/company-sleeves-78rpms/ Many sleeves advertise recent releases. So one way to date them is to look at the latest release they mention and to assume that the sleeve must have been issued around the same time that release was issued. If the sleeve is an American sleeve and sports the logo of the National Recovery Administration (NRA - We do our part), it's from ca. 1934. In some cases, other websites have been helpful, such as Frank Meagre's label sites, e.g., http://www.friktech.com/btls/capitol/capitollabels.pdf. If you scroll down on his homepage, you find a long listing of "Record Company Labelographies": http://www.friktech.com/btls/btls2.htm Some of them include a discussion of sleeves, or it may be possible to draw an inference from the date of a certain label design to the date of a sleeve that copies that new label design. In again other cases, I've been able to draw inferences from the 45 rpm sleeve database at http://www.bigboppa.co.uk/45-sleeves/ . I would be careful with that site, though. The dates given don't always work for 78s. Edited by xiphophilos on 18th Sep 2017, 10:43 PM |
| 18th Sep 2017, 8:34 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | Thanks for your replies ! I do, indeed, take care of the advertisements, the elements that would mention electric recording, NRA logo etc. Though there are still sleeves with no advertising or helpfull hints. But thanks to you, I found a lot of informations here and made a few changes in my collection  I need to dig deeper to see if I have any sleeve that isn't already in your database. If I find any, I'll update it for sure.(I just discover your forum so I need to spend some time on it before uploading anything). |
| 25th Sep 2017, 11:04 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | I wanted to start scanning sleeves but my scanner is too small, and I don't have the full sleeve scanned. What shall I do then ? Take pictures with a camera, trying to have the right angle and clean the image as much as possible before adding ? |
| 25th Sep 2017, 11:17 AM | #10 REPORT | |
 | Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | Hi there I use the "microsoft image composite editor" this is a free down load just scan your 78 sleeve two scans would be required (4 for LP's) and place them in the microsoft image composite editor and it will stitch them together. |
| 25th Sep 2017, 12:03 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | Thanks for the tip,I'll give it a try ! EDIT: kind of worked, not so badly... If that's fine enough, i'll be able to add more, once in a while... Edited by j.monk on 25th Sep 2017, 1:07 PM |
| 25th Sep 2017, 4:27 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3351 Points Moderator | Excellent! I can't even tell where the stitches are. And this Vocalion Race Record sleeve is one I've wanted to see in our database for a long time! |
| 25th Sep 2017, 4:35 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | Looks A1 to me. Good to have another 78 enthusiast aboard. Edited by moderator on 28th Sep 2017, 3:50 PM |
| 25th Sep 2017, 6:04 PM | #14 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | Good ! More to come then ! Slowly but steady. |
| 28th Sep 2017, 8:17 AM | #15 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | Surprisingly, sleeves submissions are less time-consumming than labels ! I've been able to add a bunch of sleeves in a real short time frame and will add more very soon ! Thanks for the Microsoft Image Composite Editor, that's pure magic. I have a dealer bag from 1926. Should I add it somewhere ?  |
| 28th Sep 2017, 11:02 AM | #16 REPORT | |
| Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | Music Memorabilia World is where Record Bags are located. |
| 28th Sep 2017, 3:51 PM | #17 REPORT | |
| xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3351 Points Moderator | Thanks for adding all those wonderful sleeves! None of them are common here on the US west coast. |
| 28th Sep 2017, 4:01 PM | #18 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points | My pleasure ! More to come in the coming days, as it's easier to do than labels actually. Once I'll be done with sleeves, I'll go back to work on records. Most of my collection isn't in the database yet, so I have work for the months to come ! |
| 28th Sep 2017, 8:04 PM | #19 REPORT | |
| j.monk Member since Sep 2017 167 Points |
xiphophilos wrote:
Thanks for adding all those wonderful sleeves! None of them are common here on the US west coast.
Is that because most labels were based on the East Cost ? Didn't the records spread enough to the west that they are still uncommon today ? |
| 29th Sep 2017, 7:04 AM | #20 REPORT | |
| xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3351 Points Moderator | Part of it has to do with the location of the record plants in the east. I just read that before 1946, when Decca established its own west coast plant in Los Angeles, it was really difficult to get some Decca records, to the point where all of L.A. received only 25 copies of a certain record. The other reason is people's tastes. In the Pacific Northwest, there seems to have been only very little interest in African-American music in the 1920-1940s. People did buy swing music in the late 1930s and 1940s, but mostly played by white bands. Only after ww2 does it get a bit better. So you simply won't find Vocalion or Okeh Race Records here, and R&B also almost never shows up. The vast majority of records I find at estate sales are mainstream pop or country music. California seems to have had broader musical tastes. |
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