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  29th Sep 2017, 9:19 AM#21  REPORT  
j.monk

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Where there less Afro-american on the west than on the other parts of the country ? Race records were mostly bought by Afro-americans at that time, when't they ?


  30th Sep 2017, 3:36 AM#22  REPORT  
xiphophilos

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There are African-Americans in the Pacific Northwest, but in relatively small numbers. Oregon passed Exclusion Laws three times (1844, 1849, 1859) and other discriminatory measures to boot, and Washington State wasn't too welcoming either.

Until 1960, 1% or less of the population of either state was black (now it's 2% in OR, 3% in WA). So there simply existed no market for African-American music the way it existed in the South and Northeast.



  30th Sep 2017, 9:27 AM#23  REPORT  
j.monk

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Thanks for the deails, quite interesting !


  20th Oct 2017, 1:54 PM#24  REPORT  
j.monk

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Challenge everyone !
In which country can I put this great Columbia sleeve ?

mini_460770ColumbiaunidentifiedA.jpg

mini_331945ColumbiaunidentifiedB.jpg


Looks like a British one, made for export for Australia and/or New Zealand, but designed by a french artist (see front "Disques phonos" and "Atelier Girbal")

Hard to date :huh:

Edited by moderator on 12th Jul 2018, 6:00 AM

  22nd Oct 2017, 8:12 AM#25  REPORT  
xiphophilos

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Based on the French words "Disques Phonos" in the logo and the fact that the sleeve was designed by a French atelier (Gaston Girbal. Atelier Girbal, 27 rue Piat, Paris), I'd say this is a French sleeve, regardless of the Australian and New Zealand patent numbers.

This site (http://www.encyclopedisque.fr/recherche.html?rd=&m=0&a=1933&l=0) lists many French records associated with this sleeve, but while their dating of the records may be correct, I'm not sure if the sleeves they show originally came with the record with which they are now associated. My best guess, based on the art deco design, would be 1930s.

Edited by xiphophilos on 22nd Oct 2017, 8:37 AM

  22nd Oct 2017, 2:54 PM#26  REPORT  
scrough🍰

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The British patent number 221105 is for 1923, so the numbers after the '/' is the year (see here). That gives you the earliest possible date.


  22nd Oct 2017, 3:47 PM#27  REPORT  
j.monk

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Thanks for the infos and answers !
I'll add it as French then.
xiphophilos wrote:
This site (http://www.encyclopedisque.fr/recherche.html?rd=&m=0&a=1933&l=0) lists many French records associated with this sleeve,

Nice source indeed ! I've been able to confirm a Pathé sleeve free of any infos. I'll add it shortly !


  30th Mar 2018, 6:25 PM#28  REPORT  
j.monk

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Wich records were made out of glass ? Any thought ?

Glass_Base.jpg


  30th Mar 2018, 6:56 PM#29  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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Those made of glass are very rare and are a type of transcription disc such as acetate/lacquer discs.


  30th Mar 2018, 7:21 PM#30  REPORT  
j.monk

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Thanks !


  9th Jul 2018, 8:17 AM#31  REPORT  
j.monk

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Jesse of Green River Rrds on eBay used to sell sleeves for many years, many of which were rare or of foreign countries (Asia, middle East, ...). I managed to get hundreds of her pictures of these sleeves and will spend the summer uploading them. Still have to organize them, crop and process many pictures and do some research first, though.

But these are no scans but photos, like the one I added here. Better have good photos than nothing at all, in my opinion. But let me know if that's a problem for the homogeneity of the site.

Edited by moderator on 12th Jul 2018, 5:59 AM

  9th Jul 2018, 11:41 AM#32  REPORT  
JLC135

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45worlds "can't accept images from eBay etc for copyright reasons". I'd presume the same goes for 45spaces.


  9th Jul 2018, 1:05 PM#33  REPORT  
j.monk

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It's not like if I took images randomly from eBay, it's an eBay seller that offered me all her pictures in purpose, she knows what I'll do with the pictures, I have her full agreement. It's just like if the pictures were from her private collection.
My question was about the fact that the pictures are not scans but photos, like this one

vocalion-21-bjs-t.jpg


  9th Jul 2018, 3:01 PM#34  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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As long as you have the original scan owners permission I see no problems with adding the images.
As for quality those I've seen look a lot better than many scans on here.


  9th Jul 2018, 3:19 PM#35  REPORT  
j.monk

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OK then, I'll start working on them.


  16th Jul 2018, 10:06 AM#36  REPORT  
j.monk

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Uploading a first batch of sleeves, 24 done sor far...Though I have a question about this one:

RAF_A.jpg

RAF_B.jpg

Sleeve indicates $2, but RAF is UK army isn't it ?



  16th Jul 2018, 11:10 AM#37  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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Unable to read the small print on the sleeve, if one knew which country "Who" magazine was published in that would solve the question.
As for dollars on sleeve many countries that made up the old British Empire used dollars e.g. Canada, Australia, etc. It could even be from the US when lots of individuals and organisations were raising money for the Royal Air Force during World War 2.


  16th Jul 2018, 1:58 PM#38  REPORT  
j.monk

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Redpunk wrote:
if one knew which country "Who" magazine was published in that would solve the question.

It's australian ! Hence the price in dollars.
Australian sleeve then.


  16th Jul 2018, 4:43 PM#39  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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The link takes you to a magazine that was published in 2012 a bit late for 78's.


  16th Jul 2018, 7:49 PM#40  REPORT  
sladesounds

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j.monk wrote:
It's australian ! Hence the price in dollars.
Australian sleeve then.

'fraid not! Who magazine was a US magazine published in the early 1940s.

Here is a link to the issue dated Apr 1941

Here is another link that gives it as being published in New York.

Edited by sladesounds on 16th Jul 2018, 7:55 PM

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