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| 29th Jul 2019, 10:49 AM | #21 REPORT | |
 | The_Vinyl_Junkie SUBS My body is on the diminishing streak. Member since Dec 2011 8103 Points Moderator |
PhilMH wrote:
just as on 45cat, where PolyGram's singles made in New Zealand but also distributed in Australia are entered for both countries - I think that's what you are driving at here, T_V_J?
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| 29th Jul 2019, 3:03 PM | #22 REPORT | |
 | gregs45s SUBS Member since Apr 2012 7614 Points | PhilMH wrote: "I'm not particularly a fan of using the country where a disc was made as the country to be entered, because that would give a misleading impression in many cases; many early US (and European, and other) CD's were made in Japan expressly for those markets, so it would be a fallacy to enter Japan in the country field. Similarly, I have CD's released via Festival in Australia, showing Festival's name and catalogue number on the packages and disc, but the discs were made in the USA for Australian release. Even in the present day, some US Universal releases have clear stickers on the shrinkwrap and/or jewel cases showing "DISC MADE IN MEXICO", so again it would be fallacious to enter those as Mexican releases (in the same way that many recent vinyl reissues have been entered as Czech Republic on this and other sites, because one of the main vinyl plants happens to be in that country). Country of manufacture would be best left to notes or comments in these cases. Also, if a country's first CD's were supplied by another country, but later pressings with the same label and catalogue number (or broadly similar catalogue number - I don't want to obsess too much over spaces or dashes), then they can go under the same entry with a note or comment along the lines of "Initial release was European pressing, later copies pressed in Australia"." If you read my suggestion,you will see that the country of manufacture be added to the items page itself,and not to the thumbnail with the country of release flag/s,to avoid such confusion,(somewhere in with the Cat.No's etc) it was only a suggestion that members would have at least something to enter if they were not sure about country of release,and any additional data would not hurt after all,and,who knows,it may prove handy later on as the database grows to know where the early Discs/Artwork were made adding to the CD's history.(i appreciate that early CD's were made in either W.Germany or Japan for the European/US markets,and suggest it may prove handy to be able to search those later on) As for "ball-park"catalogue numbers,i'd have to disagree on that one,i believe it's important to write these numbers as written,the slight differences often signify a different country,and,sometimes,even different packaging.If we were to group together "similar" Cat.No's for any one release,then you would effectively be putting different countries releases together on the same page..."International" I'm glad we have decided to stop using International as an option however.I personally have tried to stop that a while ago,just entering the one country where i know for sure it was released.I still think it might be a good idea to update the "how to add CD's" guide,maybe with some identification tips for members. Thanks to the Mods for "seeing the light" on this issue;) Cheers |
| 23rd Aug 2019, 1:29 AM | #23 REPORT | |
 | Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points | It seems that there is some consensus among site users and MODS on how to go about dealing with this issue on the site. However, there are also some problems that will need to be ironed out once we start. I'm not going to go into what the solutions are as they have really been foreshadowed in the previous posts and forums. Rather, I'm going to address some specific problems that are occurring now because of the multitude of different methods currently being used to enter CDs on the site at the moment. These problems have also migrated to Vinyl Albums world as the resurgence in vinyl sales has been dealt with by the major industry players with a continuation of the practices used for CD distribution. I personally requested this album be made international in order to meet the site guidelines. However, the album was only manufactured in the USA and in the EU surely the site can accommodate two listings EU and USA for this album. Surely both issues were not available in both territories. Currently, a suggested way of dealing with issues such as this has been adding something along the lines of "also released in ....." to the notes. This should only be used as a temporary measure until a better way of listing such releases comes forward. In the case of the Bowie album above it was obviously not only released in the EU and USA. It is available here in Australia (et al) but I don't personally know which version because my copy was ordered from the USA. So here is the next problem, under the current guidelines this album is listed correctly but it does not show up in the database if you search by country. Therefore, you cannot see either of the two versions of the album listed as connected to their primary market territory. This renders the database next to useless and is further complicated by the fact that both albums will have also been officially released in different territories - the USA version most likely was released in Canada and the EU release most likely released in Australia. I think most of us want an accurate database that shows all of these idiosyncrasies and doesn't just consign items to the "catch all" category of international. Conflicts between site users are heating up over this issue as can be seen here and we need to deal with this issue now before this sort of thing becomes commonplace. There has, over the years, been a huge amount of correspondence going on in the background about this issue but so far no changes to the guidelines. Everyone agrees that they need to change but when they do they need to take all of this into account. Whether the changes come in a wholesale sweep or incrementally as the site Admins need to adjust things is immaterial but one thing is certain and that is changes need to made and the sooner the better. Edited by Lee Wrecker on 23rd Aug 2019, 1:41 AM |
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