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  10th Feb 2020, 10:56 PM#1  REPORT  
chrisb

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This report of the Apollo Masters Plant fire Apollo Masters Plant Fire sounds like a very serious problem for vinyl collectors


  13th Feb 2020, 8:31 PM#2  REPORT  
George Slv

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That's bad of course, but considering they produce LPs from digital masters, how much do I care?


  14th Feb 2020, 11:49 PM#3  REPORT  
GimmeVinyl

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I believe the point is.. even if LPs are digitally mastered or not, they still have to be physically mastered (cut) on to a lacquer disc first. This is a pretty crucial step if you want to make a mother disc, and then the actual metal stampers! I've heard of records being cut onto a aluminum disc as the master, but have no clue about the expense of doing it that way... Or if the equipment needed is highly specialized or not.


  15th Feb 2020, 8:29 AM#4  REPORT  
zabadak

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Can't that be done by lasers now? :sideways:


  15th Feb 2020, 7:08 PM#5  REPORT  
GimmeVinyl

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zabadak wrote:
Can't that be done by lasers now? :sideways:
yeah.. they call em CDs.. I really don't think that they have the ability to cut a 45 degree stereophonic groove in analog. Maybe we can 3D print our records .. :whistle:


  15th Feb 2020, 8:25 PM#6  REPORT  
George Slv

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Analog vinyl can be played with laser. (not in your local store) But I expect the result is digital.
Made from digital, played digital. Garbage in garbage out.
If they were honest and only made vinyl from analog source, with not a single digital step, maybe they would be blessed.


  17th Feb 2020, 8:20 PM#7  REPORT  
sladesounds

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http://www.aardvarkmastering.com/news.htm

"7" Price increase, and no references or dubs. 2-12-2020
Due to the fire and closure of Apollo Masters, the only available blank lacquers in the world are manufactured by MDC in Japan. There is a limited quantity of these lacquers and only 14" lacquers for 12" records are available.
Since these are 14" records, they won't fit on your turntable, so Reference Lacquers and Dub Plates can't be cut until 12" and smaller plates become available.
The Apollo lacquer cost for a pair of 10" masters was $44.00. Since 7" records will need to use 14" masters costing $80.00 for the pair, the cost has increased by $36.00. That is all Aardvark is marking up the price for 7" mastering.
Aardvark has no guarantee of receiving lacquers. Our distributer will attempt to supply 25 lacquers per month, but that is not a guarantee. Therefore we may be limited to cutting a maximum of 12 projects per month.
Due to the short supply worldwide, these prices might increase if the cost of materials increases."



  17th Feb 2020, 10:01 PM#8  REPORT  
scrough

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George Slv wrote:
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Made from digital, played digital. Garbage in garbage out....
'Digital' does not necessarily mean CD type 16 bit at 44.1K. I transcribe my 78rpms using 32 bit floating point digital at 96K, which is far superior to any analogue equipement. Mis-information in, mis-information out ... (MIMO)


  18th Feb 2020, 2:32 AM#9  REPORT  
George Slv

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'Digital' does not necessarily mean CD type 16 bit at 44.1K. I transcribe my 78rpms using 32 bit floating point digital at 96K, which is far superior to any analogue equipement. Mis-information in, mis-information out ... (MIMO)[/quote]

I use 32-bit fp too. But they don't. Even if they did do you call it honest? Even so, this form still does not have the full sound of analog. Plus, our listening equipment down-converts it to 24-bit.


  19th Feb 2020, 1:17 PM#10  REPORT  
chrisb

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Heres's a link to a Rolling Stone article, yesterday, about the impact this may have on the industry.
And another from Discogs Blog which is more upbeat.


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