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  17th Dec 2021, 2:22 PM#1  REPORT  
BigBadBluesMan

Member since Jun 2012
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Suggest a subcategory for failed tv pilots and backdoor pilots (pilots embedded in established tv shows). Thoughts?


  18th Dec 2021, 8:09 AM#2  REPORT  
alexlincs

Member since Aug 2020
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Can be added as a list or a tag. There are some I've seen though like Poochini, Battletoads and Clarissa.


  4th Feb 2022, 8:11 PM#3  REPORT  
23skidoo

Member since Jul 2014
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I have a related question: is anyone aware of any sort of online database for unaired pilots? Or pilots that did air but never went to series? I can imagine it would be useful when indexing here.


  7th Feb 2022, 10:57 AM#4  REPORT  
alexlincs

Member since Aug 2020
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23skidoo wrote:
I have a related question: is anyone aware of any sort of online database for unaired pilots? Or pilots that did air but never went to series? I can imagine it would be useful when indexing here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unaired_television_pilots


  3rd Nov 2022, 5:14 PM#5  REPORT  
23skidoo

Member since Jul 2014
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That helps, though it being Wikipedia some might not treat it as a verifiable source. I recently discovered that Vincent Terrace the TV historian has published several volumes listing aired and unbroadcast TV pilots. The books are hellish expensive but that's the sort of resource. I agree with the OP's suggestion of a sub-category for pilots though it might require discussion as to what to include and allow. For example, some pilots have been retooled as movies (random example: Manchester Prep had new scenes filmed and was released as Cruel Intentions II). Some have not been officially/legally shown but have turned up on bootleg VHS or DVD or online. Some are nonexistent: for example, the script for the pilot for a mid-1960s spin-off of Doctor Who was published by its writer Terry Nation about 25 years ago; no evidence it was ever filmed, but someone could potentially enter it anyway.


  4th Nov 2022, 6:55 PM#6  REPORT  
Whyperion SUBS

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23skidoo wrote:
That helps, though it being Wikipedia some might not treat it as a verifiable source. I recently discovered that Vincent Terrace the TV historian has published several volumes listing aired and unbroadcast TV pilots. The books are hellish expensive but that's the sort of resource. I agree with the OP's suggestion of a sub-category for pilots though it might require discussion as to what to include and allow. For example, some pilots have been retooled as movies (random example: Manchester Prep had new scenes filmed and was released as Cruel Intentions II). Some have not been officially/legally shown but have turned up on bootleg VHS or DVD or online. Some are nonexistent: for example, the script for the pilot for a mid-1960s spin-off of Doctor Who was published by its writer Terry Nation about 25 years ago; no evidence it was ever filmed, but someone could potentially enter it anyway.

There is quite a lot of Dr Who poss related (Nation's problem was he retained rights to Daleks rather than assigning them to the BBC , which was clever but it meant for money he was chasing Dalek spin offs and inventing more space adversaries). YT chanel Dalek 63-88 has quite a bit of info on the 1960s spin off - part trailed in the UK comics of the time and other similar items - I think one was going to be aimed at the US ) it was timing and lack of studio time that meant pilots didnt get made - but the gist of some scripts were in the comic pages as referenced in the vids.

I suppose some of the "Armchair Theatre" airings were pilots - some became later series others did not , but some just written on their own with requests for more coming from TV producers from those they liked


  21st Jan 2023, 2:57 PM#7  REPORT  
23skidoo

Member since Jul 2014
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Whyperion wrote:
There is quite a lot of Dr Who poss related (Nation's problem was he retained rights to Daleks rather than assigning them to the BBC , which was clever but it meant for money he was chasing Dalek spin offs and inventing more space adversaries).

Yeah it was complex. The pilot I referred to was something Nation tried to interest a US network in producing, too. He ended up using characters from it in a serial he wrote for the main show (Dalek Master Plan). Further to the point of what constitutes a pilot or backdoor pilot, during the Steven Moffat era of the show a number of episodes (most notably ones featuring a group of Victorian detectives called the Paternoster Gang, but also River Song and others) were formatted and presented just like backdoor pilots, but reportedly Moffat had no intention of actually doing spinoffs from them. So someone could choose to index, say, The Snowmen or The Crimson Horror (episodes with the Paternosters) as backdoor pilots, even though they weren't. I still like the idea of indexing pilots but how wide a net should be cast?


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