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| 13th Oct 2022, 10:15 AM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Sundius-Larsen SUBS Member since May 2013 5415 Points | I am interested to see record grading described in pictures not just words, can that be found? Each grade explained, not just in a few words, to avoid mistakes. what exactly is the difference between the grades? maximum tolerance |
| 13th Oct 2022, 3:49 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator | Not sure if any good. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv6o_ddtne0 |
| 14th Oct 2022, 8:55 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3351 Points Moderator | The youtube video is helpful but it talks about the Goldmine grading standards, and those were developed for vinyl records (LPs, 45rpm singles), not 78rpm shellacs. That is particularly clear in these much more detailed descriptions from the Goldmine Magazine itself. They spend quite a bit of time talking about covers, split seams, and similar features that are usually irrelevant when we talk about 78s: https://www.goldminemag.com/collector-resources/record-grading-101 In contrast, the grading system in Les Dock's American Premium Record Guide is designed for shellacs (quoted below without the frequent typos of the original): "New" or N: apparently unplayed and, of course, showing no signs of wear "Excellent" or "E": Showing only slight wear; playing surfaces still retain much of their original shine. Surface noise is minimal. "Very Good" or "V": Somewhat more worn than an "excellent" record, slight grayness appearing in the grooves, especially in louder passages. Still a fairly clean and acceptable copy. Surface and extraneous noise is noticeable, but does not overwhelm the music. "Good" or "G": A misnomer, a "good" record is really not so good. It shows considerable wear and usage, grayness in the grooves, random marks and light abrasions from an undoubted sleeveless existence. Surface noise is prominent enough to impair enjoyment of music. "Fair" or "F" and "Poor" or "P" indicate the lowest grades of the condition code. Since only the rarest records would be saleable in these grades, they appear infrequently. Kurt Nauck's auction catalogues use a similar grading scale, and so does the Venerable Music auction site here, except the latter scale tries to define all the in-between grades as well. All these grading systems leave space for subjectivity and error, of course: one person may think that the surface noise of a record is still acceptable (VG), when others find that it already impairs their ability to enjoy the music (G). Edited by xiphophilos on 14th Oct 2022, 9:04 PM |
| 15th Oct 2022, 9:12 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | Whyperion SUBS Too Many Records , Too Little Time Member since Jan 2013 306 Points | Other than maybe NEW for 78s you only need three more Playable - Sounds OK Playable - Sound Impaired Not Playable Label Condition Complete Label Ripped . Worn or Missing Label Sleeve Has Company Sleeve, Has Retailer Sleeve , Has Generic Sleeve, Has No Sleeve |
| 16th Oct 2022, 7:23 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| Sundius-Larsen SUBS Member since May 2013 5415 Points | When I talk about grading I talk about general wear, never sound. I have V records that sound great, probably because they are great pressings. Another thing is damage. If an E record has a deep scratch, how far will it drop 2 grades? What I'm most interested in is the border between E and V. What is the max wear an E record can have before turning V. Edited by moderator on 19th Oct 2022, 6:43 AM |
| 16th Oct 2022, 8:14 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator | Just a thought, what if the A side is excellent and the B side is good, how do you grade that. I’m thinking 45rpm, many of my 45s l may never have played the the B side but overplayed the A side, making it a poor A side and excellent B side. Same can happen with albums, one side can get played more than the other side or even if both sides are excellent but one side got scratched, thinking brand new album but accidentally scratched surface on first playing. Edited by getalife on 17th Oct 2022, 6:45 AM |
| 19th Oct 2022, 6:48 AM | #7 REPORT | |
| xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3351 Points Moderator | Sundius-Larsen writes: "What I'm most interested in is the border between E and V. What is the max wear an E record can have before turning V?" That's an easy question. An "E" record can have "only slight wear". A deep scratch is not "slight wear". In fact, an audible, deep scratch would automatically move this record to Fair or Poor. By definition, an "E" record should at most have only very few, very light scratches that do not affect the audio quality at all. |
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