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  30th Oct 2023, 4:42 PM#1  REPORT  
Mike Wilson1

Musicologist
Member since Dec 2019
26 Points
Trying to find out any information about this record which is in the 45 database.....Does anyone have this record ?......Could you show a photograph of this disc for entry into the database.......Is the catalogue number correct ?......The song "My Daddy", did anybody else record it in 1940........Thanks for any help you may be able to offer....Likewise "Dreaming" by Beryl Davis (Decca F7472).....Does anyone have it or a photograph ?......Is it the correct catalogue number.

Edited by Mike Wilson1 on 30th Oct 2023, 4:49 PM

  30th Oct 2023, 5:18 PM#2  REPORT  
danceband91

Member since Nov 2020
119 Points
I was actually trying to find some information about "My Daddy" a few days ago, as I'd never heard of the song and therefore found it strange that it would be charting. I very nearly concluded it didn't exist, until I came across the following record by the London Piano-Accordeon Band: (https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/g24277), which is titled "My Daddy" and has composer credits to Box, Cox and Pelosi (presumably Don Pelosi). There was a corresponding UK release (RZ MR-3251) that was mentioned in The Gramophone April 1940 issue, which is consistent with the Phyllis Robins version apparently charting in May.

I couldn't find any other versions though, and I still find it strange that Phyllis Robins would have recorded such an obscure tune - her other records seem to suggest she confined herself to the big hits of the day. I do wonder if the Missing Charts book has got it wrong, and the title should be "My Heart Belongs To Daddy", although then again May would be a little late for a version of that tune.


  30th Oct 2023, 5:53 PM#3  REPORT  
Mike Wilson1

Musicologist
Member since Dec 2019
26 Points
danceband91 wrote:
I was actually trying to find some information about "My Daddy" a few days ago, as I'd never heard of the song and therefore found it strange that it would be charting. I very nearly concluded it didn't exist, until I came across the following record by the London Piano-Accordeon Band: (https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/g24277), which is titled "My Daddy" and has composer credits to Box, Cox and Pelosi (presumably Don Pelosi). There was a corresponding UK release (RZ MR-3251) that was mentioned in The Gramophone April 1940 issue, which is consistent with the Phyllis Robins version apparently charting in May.

I couldn't find any other versions though, and I still find it strange that Phyllis Robins would have recorded such an obscure tune - her other records seem to suggest she confined herself to the big hits of the day. I do wonder if the Missing Charts book has got it wrong, and the title should be "My Heart Belongs To Daddy", although then again May would be a little late for a version of that tune.
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Trying once more to find the only 4 titles I have not been able to get anywhere from the year 1940......It could be an error in the book as Harry Roy had "My Heart Belongs To Daddy" on Parlophone 1603 in 1940 and we are looking for "My Daddy" on Parlophone 1703

Edited by Mike Wilson1 on 30th Oct 2023, 6:01 PM

  30th Oct 2023, 8:07 PM#4  REPORT  
mister_tmg

Also on 78rpm
Member since Apr 2012
1118 Points
It is indeed the song by Box, Cox and Pelosi. According to a draft listing of the Parlophone F series which I have, the titles are correct. It was issued in May 1940 and deleted in March 1942.

Parlophone F-1703

CE-10364-1 recorded 1 March 1940
Turn On The Old Music Box, Film: 'Pinocchio' [Washington, Harline]

CE-10365-1 recorded 1 March 1940
My Daddy [Box, Cox, Pelosi]

Have you tried asking the EMI Archive Trust about it? They should have a copy, but are currently in the middle of moving to another facility.


  30th Oct 2023, 9:37 PM#5  REPORT  
Mike Wilson1

Musicologist
Member since Dec 2019
26 Points
danceband91 wrote:
I was actually trying to find some information about "My Daddy" a few days ago, as I'd never heard of the song and therefore found it strange that it would be charting. I very nearly concluded it didn't exist, until I came across the following record by the London Piano-Accordeon Band: (https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/g24277), which is titled "My Daddy" and has composer credits to Box, Cox and Pelosi (presumably Don Pelosi). There was a corresponding UK release (RZ MR-3251) that was mentioned in The Gramophone April 1940 issue, which is consistent with the Phyllis Robins version apparently charting in May.

I couldn't find any other versions though, and I still find it strange that Phyllis Robins would have recorded such an obscure tune - her other records seem to suggest she confined herself to the big hits of the day. I do wonder if the Missing Charts book has got it wrong, and the title should be "My Heart Belongs To Daddy", although then again May would be a little late for a version of that tune.

It was quite a large task that I set myself, to collect every popular release from the beginning of 1940 to the end of 1946, a task that I have enjoyed very much but now that I am in the final phase it is getting more difficult….These are the songs that I am missing along with year in which they were issued
1940
Goodnight Children Everywhere – Issy Bonn HMV B.D. 797
My Daddy – Phyllis Robins Parlophone F 1703
Dreaming – Beryl Davis Decca F 7472
If Tears Could Bring You Back – The Organ, The Dance Band & Me Parlophone F 1786
1941
I Hear A Rhapsody – Turner Layton Columbia FB 2666
What Do We Care – Billy Cotton & His Band Rex R 10023
My Sister & I – R.A.F. Dance Orchestra Decca F 7984
1942
Do You Care – Geraldo & His Orchestra Parlophone F 1889
By Candlelight – Turner Layton Columbia FB 2771
You Are My Sunshine – Billy Cotton & His Band Rex R 10115
I Don’t Want To Walk Without You – Joe Loss & His Orchestra HMV BD 5742
You Walk By – Joe Loss & His Orchestra HMV BD 5778
1943
Praise The Lord & Pass The Ammunition – Carroll Gibbons & His Orchestra Columbia FB 2887
Daybreak – Turner Layton Columbia FB 2886
I’m Thinking Tonight Of My Blue Eyes – Jay Wilbur & His Orchestra Rex R 10187
Heavenly Music – Turner Layton Columbia FB 2973
1944
I’m Sending My Blessings – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3009
Don’t Ask Me Why/Thinking About The Wabash – Joe Loss & His Orchestra HMV BD 5838
Long Ago & Far Away – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3035
Someday I’ll Meet You Again – Carroll Gibbons & His Orchestra Columbia FB 3038
Spring Will Be A Little Late This Year – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3058
Spring Will Be A Little Late This Year – Ambrose & His Orchestra Decca F 8450
Shine On Victory Moon – Carroll Gibbons & His Orchestra Columbia FB 3069
Silent Night – Pat McCormac HMV B.D. 119
1945
My Favourite Dream – Billy Cotton & His Band Rex R 10217
My Favourite Dream – Eric Winstone HMV BD 5869
My Favourite Dream – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3080
Together – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3100
The Last Waltz Of The Evening – Harry Leader & His Orchestra Regal Zonophone MR 3756
Just A Prayer Away/A Friend Of Yours – Joe Loss & His Orchestra HMV BD 5895
Let The Rest Of The World Go By – Joe Loss & His Orchestra HMV BD 5905
1946
I’m Always Chasing Rainbows – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3201
Carolina – Billy Cotton & His Band Rex R 10230
Down In The Valley – Turner Layton Columbia FB 3245
Barrel House Boogie – Joe Daniels Parlophone F 2184
Sweetheart We’ll Never Grow Old – Joe Loss & His Orchestra HMV BD 5953


  30th Oct 2023, 10:30 PM#6  REPORT  
mister_tmg

Also on 78rpm
Member since Apr 2012
1118 Points
Have you had any progress with the British Library?


  31st Oct 2023, 8:24 AM#7  REPORT  
Mike Wilson1

Musicologist
Member since Dec 2019
26 Points
mister_tmg wrote:
Have you had any progress with the British Library?

It is the cost that is making me delay as it is high....The library say their operatives are costed by the hour and the receipt could run to up to £300+ which as a pensioner is far above my budget


  31st Oct 2023, 12:48 PM#8  REPORT  
mister_tmg

Also on 78rpm
Member since Apr 2012
1118 Points
Mike Wilson1 wrote:
mister_tmg wrote:
Have you had any progress with the British Library?

It is the cost that is making me delay as it is high....The library say their operatives are costed by the hour and the receipt could run to up to £300+ which as a pensioner is far above my budget
Yes, I understand it is expensive… I suppose it depends how desperate you are.


  31st Oct 2023, 2:17 PM#9  REPORT  
danceband91

Member since Nov 2020
119 Points
Mike Wilson1 wrote:
mister_tmg wrote:
Have you had any progress with the British Library?

It is the cost that is making me delay as it is high....The library say their operatives are costed by the hour and the receipt could run to up to £300+ which as a pensioner is far above my budget

That's a shame. That cost is ridiculous in my opinion. How long does it take to find and transfer a 78, assuming they're used to doing it? And if indeed it's the operative time you're paying for, then you'd think there'd be a significant discount if you wanted multiple transfers.

I suppose you'll just have to keep finding new people to ask. Given its absence from your list, I assume you managed to get a transfer of Phyllis Robins - Goodnight Children Everywhere. I also think I saw a copy of FB3245 Turner Layton - "Down in the Valley" in a charity shop in Dundee a few weeks ago. It was badly warped, however, so I didn't buy it. I'll see if it's still there when I'm next over, although I can't guarantee it would play!

By the way, Beryl Davis - Dreaming is indeed the correct catalogue number (F 7472). It's listed in my copy of the 1941 Decca catalogue, with "Walkin' Thru' Mockin' Bird Lane" on the other side.


  31st Oct 2023, 2:25 PM#10  REPORT  
Mike Wilson1

Musicologist
Member since Dec 2019
26 Points
danceband91 wrote:
Mike Wilson1 wrote:
mister_tmg wrote:
Have you had any progress with the British Library?

It is the cost that is making me delay as it is high....The library say their operatives are costed by the hour and the receipt could run to up to £300+ which as a pensioner is far above my budget

That's a shame. That cost is ridiculous in my opinion. How long does it take to find and transfer a 78, assuming they're used to doing it? And if indeed it's the operative time you're paying for, then you'd think there'd be a significant discount if you wanted multiple transfers.

I suppose you'll just have to keep finding new people to ask. Given its absence from your list, I assume you managed to get a transfer of Phyllis Robins - Goodnight Children Everywhere. I also think I saw a copy of FB3245 Turner Layton - "Down in the Valley" in a charity shop in Dundee a few weeks ago. It was badly warped, however, so I didn't buy it. I'll see if it's still there when I'm next over, although I can't guarantee it would play!

By the way, Beryl Davis - Dreaming is indeed the correct catalogue number (F 7472). It's listed in my copy of the 1941 Decca catalogue, with "Walkin' Thru' Mockin' Bird Lane" on the other side.

Yes.....Out of the blue someone messaged me and said that they had the Phyllis Robins and I was delighted to finally cross it off my wants list


  31st Oct 2023, 3:18 PM#11  REPORT  
mister_tmg

Also on 78rpm
Member since Apr 2012
1118 Points
danceband91 wrote:
Mike Wilson1 wrote:
mister_tmg wrote:
Have you had any progress with the British Library?

It is the cost that is making me delay as it is high....The library say their operatives are costed by the hour and the receipt could run to up to £300+ which as a pensioner is far above my budget

That's a shame. That cost is ridiculous in my opinion. How long does it take to find and transfer a 78, assuming they're used to doing it? And if indeed it's the operative time you're paying for, then you'd think there'd be a significant discount if you wanted multiple transfers.

Yes, but if Mike wants 24 sides transferring, the cost works out at £12.50 a side if the total is £300 (for example). I agree it isn’t cheap, but the options are limited. King’s College will charge more.

Mike, how long have you actually been looking? The missing charts book has only been out ten years, so it can’t be any longer.

I guess what this highlights is the absurd scarcity of some mass-produced records from the 78 rpm era. They haven’t been reissued on LP/CD, and the originals must be owned by such small numbers of people now.


  31st Oct 2023, 3:27 PM#12  REPORT  
Mike Wilson1

Musicologist
Member since Dec 2019
26 Points
mister_tmg wrote:
danceband91 wrote:
Mike Wilson1 wrote:
mister_tmg wrote:
Have you had any progress with the British Library?

It is the cost that is making me delay as it is high....The library say their operatives are costed by the hour and the receipt could run to up to £300+ which as a pensioner is far above my budget

That's a shame. That cost is ridiculous in my opinion. How long does it take to find and transfer a 78, assuming they're used to doing it? And if indeed it's the operative time you're paying for, then you'd think there'd be a significant discount if you wanted multiple transfers.

Yes, but if Mike wants 24 sides transferring, the cost works out at £12.50 a side if the total is £300 (for example). I agree it isn’t cheap, but the options are limited. King’s College will charge more.

Mike, how long have you actually been looking? The missing charts book has only been out ten years, so it can’t be any longer.

I guess what this highlights is the absurd scarcity of some mass-produced records from the 78 rpm era. They haven’t been reissued on LP/CD, and the originals must be owned by such small numbers of people now.

I got the book the week it came out and hit upon the idea the same day....Never thought it would be so difficult 1. To find certain records 2. To work through the errors to actually discover what the listings meant.....I have begged, been totally repetative and annoying, met some very clever people whose knowledge far more than mine


  31st Oct 2023, 8:21 PM#13  REPORT  
Whyperion SUBS

Too Many Records , Too Little Time
Member since Jan 2013
306 Points
TMG - Remember for 1940/41 we found a lot of discs were deleted quite quickly, this was as the air raids were stepping up and personnel were tight despite keeping discs coming for morale so I guess new releases got priority. I think also any left over stocks were ground back down for new material / filler for discs.

It looks like the compiler of the book was using some of the same sources others here are quoting. But we have found a few, I thought maybe there would be more in a collection I recently got but I think the spinster they came from for some reason did not keep much of her parent's items - they were from Mitcham and had two moves at least before her and her mum moved to the last flat and her mum died quite quickly after the move. My other collection seemed to be mostly pre WW2 and appeared as a charity donation. Likewise my mum was not really buying records in WW2 , moving around with war work and a bit of informal evacuation, though mum was on winding the gramophone duty on a friday afternoon at her work when folk would bring in their discs to play over the tannoy system


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