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| 15th Jan 2013, 1:45 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3210 Points Moderator | Here are some guidelines for what can be accepted on 12"World, and what can't. Maybe more than any other CatWorld site there are numerous grey areas and overlaps to be found here, but in 99% of cases these rules should work. If you are unsure about an entry's acceptability, do give us a shout before adding to the site. If it's 45rpm and under 25 minutes playing time then it's nearly always classified as a single or EP and is admissable. If it's 33rpm then it needs to be : a) an extension of a single (7" or cd single etc.) release b) a remix 12" (applicable to dance 12"'s with numerous remixes of the same track) b) under 25 mins (approx). NOTE : 33rpm 12" discs that have five or more different tracks and run to over 25 mins are often what we're classing as "Mini LP's" and aren't accepted. If it's 10", then it needs to be : a) from 1970 onwards b) not an LP (the Cat# is often a giveaway here, though anything 33rpm and over 25 mins long is going to raise suspicion !) Please do feel free to raise suggestions or challenge any obvious anomalies, as in that way we can see whether these general guidelines hold firm or need tweaking. And lastly, apologies to the few people who we've already had to delete entries by. We took a looong time over deciding these deletions, and hopefully you appreciate that it was done with the intention of trying to maintain a certain amount of uniformity to the site. Many thanks, everyone - keep adding !!  Edited by moderator on 21st Jan 2013, 8:51 PM |
| 21st Jan 2013, 11:37 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Thin Yoghurt Raised on a diet of broken biscuits Member since Apr 2012 1046 Points | Apologies to the mods, I have just noticed that the 45cat and 45worlds standard format for adding track titles involves making the first letter of each word a capital letter (including the little ones e.g. "A", "Of", "And" etc.), This is not currently mentioned in the guide - do you think it's inclusion may save you some work? |
| 21st Jan 2013, 8:50 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | Graham7 Member since Apr 2012 6406 Points Moderator | I have 2 x 10" I'm wondering about. 1) John Cooper Clarke's Walking Back To Happiness. 33rpm clear vinyl S JCC 1, 5 tracks each side, total running time 24 minutes (and 3 seconds). 2) Shrink's Silver Genes - 6 track 33rpm Oval Records AMSP7468. Would these be OK to add? Edited by Graham7 on 21st Jan 2013, 8:51 PM |
| 21st Jan 2013, 9:16 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| Auto_Da_Fe He does what he knows best, which is not very much Member since Dec 2012 1726 Points | We reckon that the 33rpm says no.. they need to wait for album world. (I brought up the JCC title myself in the mod discussion of where the boundaries should fall) |
| 29th Jan 2013, 9:31 AM | #5 REPORT | |
| henry29 Member since Jan 2013 1524 Points | Hi BT. You say that a 12" Single has to be Under 25mins. What Is going to Happen When I or Someone Else Put's on "Steve Silk Hurley - Jack Your Body" As this was Withdrawn. Then Re-Issued. Without Changes. To become the biggest seller of 1985. Being 28mins In Length.H. |
| 29th Jan 2013, 10:15 AM | #6 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7231 Points Moderator |
henry29 wrote:
Hi BT. You say that a 12" Single has to be Under 25mins. What Is going to Happen When I or Someone Else Put's on "Steve Silk Hurley - Jack Your Body" As this was Withdrawn. Then Re-Issued. Without Changes. To become the biggest seller of 1985. Being 28mins In Length.H.
That will be fine Henry - long single tracks or multiple mixes of the same song are generally acceptable as long as they fit the other criteria. There will be quite a number of 12" singles, particularly in the dance/electronica genres, that exceed 25 minutes, sometimes by some way. We can look at individual cases on their own merits if needs be. |
| 29th Jan 2013, 12:27 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| henry29 Member since Jan 2013 1524 Points | Cheers NB. and BT. H. Edited by henry29 on 29th Jan 2013, 8:01 PM |
| 29th Jan 2013, 3:44 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3210 Points Moderator | Cheers NB, even !  |
| 31st Jan 2013, 1:19 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| santos Member since Jan 2013 95 Points | E.G. what about this one? http://www.discogs.com/Money-Mark-Album-Sampler/release/69449 and this http://www.discogs.com/Buzzcocks-Parts-1-3/release/1132728 Edited by santos on 31st Jan 2013, 1:22 PM |
| 31st Jan 2013, 3:33 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3210 Points Moderator | Money Mark is OK. Buzzcocks is no, going by The Cramps "The Smell Of Female" rule ! Edited by moderator on 31st Jan 2013, 3:37 PM |
| 31st Jan 2013, 4:49 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7231 Points Moderator | What do we reckon about this doozy, BT (or anyone else)? EP or mini album? I have this, and have always thought of it as a mini album; discogs calls it an EP (not that that proves anything in itself); it's 5 tracks and runs for almost exactly 25 mins. I haven't added it as I don't think it counts but I'd be more than happy to bung it on if others think differently... Can't remember if it's 33 or 45 but can check later. Thoughts? EDIT: I should probably have re-read the guidelines (sorry) - need to check the play speed... will do so later and expand on this. Edited by nboldock on 31st Jan 2013, 4:53 PM |
| 31st Jan 2013, 8:46 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3210 Points Moderator | It's 33rpm, so I'd say mini LP (using ACDC Live '74 as the deleted precedent). "...discogs calls it an EP (not that that proves anything in itself);" Discogs can be slightly random with it's descriptions, though in all fairness it isn't trying to create the same sort of strict boundaries that we are here. We shouldn't necessarily be taking their lead as to whether it's an EP or LP... |
| 31st Jan 2013, 10:12 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7231 Points Moderator |
Billy Two wrote:
It's 33rpm, so I'd say mini LP (using ACDC Live '74 as the deleted precedent).
"...discogs calls it an EP (not that that proves anything in itself);" Discogs can be slightly random with it's descriptions, though in all fairness it isn't trying to create the same sort of strict boundaries that we are here. We shouldn't necessarily be taking their lead as to whether it's an EP or LP... No, quite agree. Having checked it IS 33rpm, and as I say I always regarded it as a mini album (bloody good one, mind). No problem, just wanted to check I wasn't missing something off that we should have. I use Discogs for reference but only loosely... which is probably the best way to approach it. |
| 31st Jan 2013, 11:12 PM | #14 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3210 Points Moderator | Auto De Fe correctly pointed out that a disc I'd added by a band called Rosemary's Children, and I'd had for 15 years filed with my 12's, was actually a mini LP  so we're all going to have keep an eye out !I fear it will be an ongoing issue, but hey...I think we're gradually managing to narrow down those pesky grey areas |
| 31st Jan 2013, 11:13 PM | #15 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7231 Points Moderator |
Billy Two wrote:
Auto De Fe correctly pointed out that a disc I'd added by a band called Rosemary's Children, and I'd had for 15 years filed with my 12's, was actually a mini LP
so we're all going to have keep an eye out !I fear it will be an ongoing issue, but hey...I think we're gradually managing to narrow down those pesky grey areas Yeah, I think so. It was always going to be a bugger when the site moved away from just the humble 7"! Nice to see some of these things though, and we get there in the end... |
| 4th Feb 2013, 11:09 AM | #16 REPORT | |
 | janiejjones Member since Aug 2011 4933 Points Moderator | What about split-speed discs? 12 HEAT 6 on Inferno, A is the classic Tainted Love, Extended and 7" mixes on 45, B is a 10 track Northern Soul compilation called 6T's Houseparty, runniong on 33??? Mine comes in clear vinyl, in a clear bag featuring a sticker boldly selling "Original Version by Gloria Jones (plus 10 Northern Soul Classics". AIt all came in the wake of that other versions huge success. I would hate to upload all the deatials for side B only to have it removed again..... :) |
| 4th Feb 2013, 12:21 PM | #17 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3210 Points Moderator | No 33rpm ten track compilations please, whatever the other side may be !! |
| 7th Feb 2013, 2:19 PM | #18 REPORT | |
| henry29 Member since Jan 2013 1524 Points | Hi Guys Could Ireland be Added to the Country's Please. |
| 16th Feb 2013, 8:33 AM | #19 REPORT | |
| RadoxTheGreen Wait, I have to scan what now? Member since Jan 2013 772 Points Moderator | I've noticed a few of the entries on the 45cat sister site have reviews snipped from various magazines attached. I have loads of Record Mirrors stashed away (unless the mice have got to them). Surely including magazine reviews on the site puts 45cat and 45worlds, if they start appearing here, in the firing line of the copyright lawyers? Or are some publishers saying they are happy to have stuff put up here? I ask mainly because, RM used to have a disco section and a lot of ads appeared there for new 12" singles. Obviously, the records are the priority but as some are already creeping on to the (other) site, what's the official line on mag reviews and adverts?  |
| 17th Feb 2013, 12:23 PM | #20 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7231 Points Moderator |
RadoxTheGreen wrote:
I've noticed a few of the entries on the 45cat sister site have reviews snipped from various magazines attached. I have loads of Record Mirrors stashed away (unless the mice have got to them). Surely including magazine reviews on the site puts 45cat and 45worlds, if they start appearing here, in the firing line of the copyright lawyers? Or are some publishers saying they are happy to have stuff put up here? I ask mainly because, RM used to have a disco section and a lot of ads appeared there for new 12" singles. Obviously, the records are the priority but as some are already creeping on to the (other) site, what's the official line on mag reviews and adverts?
Weirdly, I was pondering this yesterday myself, as I quite like seeing the reviews and ads and whatnot - if anything they are even harder to preserve than the records themselves so personally I'd like to see more of them. I'm not sure on the legal situation, we had better wait for a view from on high - though I can't imagine on what grounds anyone would object, to be honest. My guess would be that we should be fine if all scans are credited (i.e. with the name of the original publication), especially as this is a non-commercial site, but I'd be happier if we had someone with some legal grounding to say for sure... anyone? Edited by nboldock on 17th Feb 2013, 12:25 PM |
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