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  9th Feb 2013, 9:55 AM#1  REPORT  
sladesounds

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What is a CD Single - A CD World users (rough) guide.

To many a CD Single is obvious - the equivalent of a 7" single, 7" EP or a 12" single or 12" Maxi single. However with record labels being generous and making full use of the CD format we have CDs being issued which could be called Mini Albums (or the equivalent).

This site, being the sister site of 45Cat is about CD singles, not CD albums or CD mini albums.

So how to define a CD, using the UK Chart Company's guidelines, to qualify in the UK as a single:

The CD (Single) must contain the featured track or a version/remix of it.
The CD (Single) must meet the minimum dealer price requirement.
The CD (Single) must have no more than 4 different tracks, although each song may appear in any number of different versions.
The CD (Single) maximum running time is 25 minutes (if more than one different song is featured), or 40 minutes (if one song is featured in multiple versions/mixes).

So the important bits that make a CD qualify as a CD Single.
No more than 4 different tracks (not counting any remixes of the same song).
No more than 25 minutes in playing time (for up to 4 different tracks) or upto 40 minutes if the CD contains remix versions.


So (besides selling a few copies) a CD with tracks listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D

is good for inclusion in the UK Charts;

whereas a CD with the track listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D
5. Song E

is not.

A CD with track listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D
5. Song A (remix)

is classed as valid for although it has 5 tracks, the remix track does not count for UK Chart purposes.

The guidelines outlined above are based on the UK charts; there are always going to be exceptions to the rule such as do we include the running time of any video tracks on the disc? What about DVD singles?

A general rule that can be applied is that if a CD charts in the singles chart of a country, regardless of the number of tracks on the disc, then it must be a CD Single (at least as far as that country is concerned).

Another general rule is if an artist/band releases a CD and calls it a CD Single or the record label promotes the CD as a CD Single then, in theory, it must be a CD Single regardless of the number of tracks or the running time.

There will be many discs that fall outside of the basic guidelines/rules and these can be discussed in the forums.

If you have any disc that you can't make your mind up about then ask in the forums and see what the consensus is, let the masses decide.


Edited by sladesounds on 9th Feb 2013, 10:01 AM

  9th Feb 2013, 11:43 AM#2  REPORT  
Deltics

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Does that disallow Pink Floyd - The First Three Singles then?


  9th Feb 2013, 12:44 PM#3  REPORT  
Jonny Mod

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sladesounds wrote:
What is a CD Single - A CD World users (rough) guide.

To many a CD Single is obvious - the equivalent of a 7" single, 7" EP or a 12" single or 12" Maxi single. However with record labels being generous and making full use of the CD format we have CDs being issued which could be called Mini Albums (or the equivalent).

This site, being the sister site of 45Cat is about CD singles, not CD albums or CD mini albums.

So how to define a CD, using the UK Chart Company's guidelines, to qualify in the UK as a single:

...

There will be many discs that fall outside of the basic guidelines/rules and these can be discussed in the forums.

If you have any disc that you can't make your mind up about then ask in the forums and see what the consensus is, let the masses decide.

Thanks, that's useful :happy:


  9th Feb 2013, 1:42 PM#4  REPORT  
harley

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Thats why many Groups/Artists brought out CD 2 following week.


  9th Feb 2013, 6:40 PM#5  REPORT  
sladesounds

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Deltics wrote:
Does that disallow Pink Floyd - The First Three Singles then?

I would suggest that it should go as the cat# is an EMI album number. EMI must have thought it an album (at least a mini album) to have assigned an album cat #.

Edited by moderator on 9th Feb 2013, 6:41 PM

  10th Feb 2013, 11:19 AM#6  REPORT  
nboldock

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I have to say I think Hormoaning is a mini album too... I had a copy once upon a time and always regarded it as such. Thoughts, anyone?


  10th Feb 2013, 1:13 PM#7  REPORT  
Deltics

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I already made a comment about this one:
[image]7123[/image]

Released as part of a singles box set with a running time of 39 minutes.
Personally, I think it should be included, but it just goes to show that the whole thing is a bit of a minefield!


  10th Feb 2013, 6:25 PM#8  REPORT  
goodbear66

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If Pink Floyd (The First Three Singles) does not qualify as an EP here, one could validly argue that on 45cat Marvin Gaye "Originals from Marvin Gaye" TME 2019 (classified as an EP) should go from there as it has 6 separate single tracks and is a mini-album albeit on 7" format.


  10th Feb 2013, 7:08 PM#9  REPORT  
sladesounds

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goodbear66 wrote:
If Pink Floyd (The First Three Singles) does not qualify as an EP here, one could validly argue that on 45cat Marvin Gaye "Originals from Marvin Gaye" TME 2019 (classified as an EP) should go from there as it has 6 separate single tracks and is a mini-album albeit on 7" format.

The matter of what is and what isn't can be very subjective.

With TME 2019 it is worth noting that it was released (with 6 tracks) as a 7" EP (here) so I would argue that yes it is a single as it was originally released (and promoted) as a single, whereas Pink Floyd's "First Three..." was promoted as a Mini LP.

You'll also find on 45Cat a number of 7" EPs with more than 4 tracks (check out Elvis Presley) however the 4 track rule that the UK Charts company uses (outlined above) I think only came in mid 80s when records were being issued in many formats all to push the record up the charts. I think "Relax" by FGTH was the straw that broke the camel's back and caused them to rewrite the rules.

Edited by sladesounds on 10th Feb 2013, 7:17 PM

  10th Feb 2013, 7:10 PM#10  REPORT  
sladesounds

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Deltics wrote:
I already made a comment about this one:
[image]7123[/image]

Released as part of a singles box set with a running time of 39 minutes.
Personally, I think it should be included, but it just goes to show that the whole thing is a bit of a minefield!

Tell me about it. I will finish off the box set this week and there is another one with I think 12 tracks on it!! :eek:


  10th Feb 2013, 7:47 PM#11  REPORT  
harley

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Queen did 4 box sets of there singles on 3" discs:
Queen Singles Collection 1


  10th Feb 2013, 10:14 PM#12  REPORT  
henry29

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I Have all three. 5" Singles Box Sets H.

Edited by henry29 on 10th Feb 2013, 10:16 PM

  11th Feb 2013, 10:16 AM#13  REPORT  
Lanark

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sladesounds wrote:
The CD (Single) must contain the featured track or a version/remix of it.
The CD (Single) must meet the minimum dealer price requirement.
The CD (Single) must have no more than 4 different tracks, although each song may appear in any number of different versions.
The CD (Single) maximum running time is 25 minutes (if more than one different song is featured), or 40 minutes (if one song is featured in multiple versions/mixes).

So the important bits that make a CD qualify as a CD Single.
No more than 4 different tracks (not counting any remixes of the same song).
No more than 25 minutes in playing time (for up to 4 different tracks) or up to 40 minutes if the CD contains remix versions.



[image]5000[/image]

This wondrous bit of ambient electro dub clocks in at a mighty 39 minutes and 58 seconds for the title track. There is a 3.08 radio edit plus another edit/ mix which clocks at 5.58. There is another different track (a 14.51 Towers of Dub Mad Prof mix).
In total this CD single has a sublime running time of 1 hour 3 minutes and 55 seconds. Does this make it NOT a CD single?



  11th Feb 2013, 10:34 AM#14  REPORT  
sladesounds

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Lanark wrote:

This wondrous bit of ambient electro dub clocks in at a mighty 39 minutes and 58 seconds for the title track. There is a 3.08 radio edit plus another edit/ mix which clocks at 5.58. There is another different track (a 14.51 Towers of Dub Mad Prof mix).
In total this CD single has a sublime running time of 1 hour 3 minutes and 55 seconds. Does this make it NOT a CD single?

It is a CD Single.
It was issued and promoted as a single and so it is (just a bloody long one) :grin:

As said there are going to be many CD Singles that do not easily fall in to the right bracket and we just have to discuss them here to get it right.

Edited by sladesounds on 11th Feb 2013, 10:35 AM

  17th Feb 2013, 10:52 PM#15  REPORT  
Whyperion SUBS

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In vinyl format I am used to the promotional album ( one track each from say 12 artists' albums as purchasable samplers ). Now have in one pile here a CD promo ( to radio stations ) of a number of artist's singles, it looks like an album , but could be argued to be a multiple promo for a dozen different artists , as its non purchasable and the record company is just taking advantage of the CD format ?


  18th Feb 2013, 8:43 AM#16  REPORT  
sladesounds

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Whyperion wrote:
In vinyl format I am used to the promotional album ( one track each from say 12 artists' albums as purchasable samplers ). Now have in one pile here a CD promo ( to radio stations ) of a number of artist's singles, it looks like an album , but could be argued to be a multiple promo for a dozen different artists , as its non purchasable and the record company is just taking advantage of the CD format ?

This I would say falls under the category of CD Album. I have several that were issued by Warner Bros. in the 90s that most definitely are classed as (promo) albums. In these cases the 4 to 5 track rule must apply.


  19th Feb 2013, 11:33 AM#17  REPORT  
nboldock

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sladesounds wrote:
Whyperion wrote:
In vinyl format I am used to the promotional album ( one track each from say 12 artists' albums as purchasable samplers ). Now have in one pile here a CD promo ( to radio stations ) of a number of artist's singles, it looks like an album , but could be argued to be a multiple promo for a dozen different artists , as its non purchasable and the record company is just taking advantage of the CD format ?

This I would say falls under the category of CD Album. I have several that were issued by Warner Bros. in the 90s that most definitely are classed as (promo) albums. In these cases the 4 to 5 track rule must apply.

Absolutely agree.

I've got some Virgin Radio CD promo samplers kicking around somewhere which are a similar principle; they'll have to wait for CDAlbumWorld or whatever it ends up being called!


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