Apple - Latest Updates

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Added All rights label variation Side A language on top of label, Side B language on right side top of label.

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Added Los Angeles Press with Capitol subsidiary language on bottom rim of label.

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Capitol, Los Angeles labels added.

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Comment by W.B.lbl:

As you can see, I go by a lot of criteria - pressing rings are one, the higher lacquer numbers compared with early pressings are another. But glad you could confirm your copy was later.

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Comment by GimmeVinyl:

The results are in.. my Winchester pressing has the 35 mm pressing ring, on the B side it is very noticeable. On the B side you can also see the 13 mm ring quite clearly. Matrix numbers as follows.. SO-1-383-A27, SO-2-F26#2. With the info at hand, I'm lead to believe that my copy is definitely after 1970... The 1971 repress. Yeah, I was hoping for the illusive "second pressing".. but no dice. Still, it has the sound that George Martin had intended, and not a remaster.

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Comment by GimmeVinyl:

Thank you W.B.lbl for the info... I wasn't going by the pressing rings, I was going by matrix numbers. I may have been just a wee bit confused, by mixing up "second pressing" with the '71 repress. In this case, one cannot go by the label, nor the jacket to put a date on it.. to me, they both look identical. They both have the access box on the front, and they both list Her Majesty on the back and on the label of side 2. Now, I've made up a list of both of the Winchester matrix numbers from the listings I have seen, which I will compare with the copy that I've purchased. With this info, and the info of the pressing rings, I should be able to establish just which copy I own...

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Comment by W.B.lbl:

Any first-pressings from Winchester would have had a pressing ring of between 38.0mm and 38.5mm, just as the other three plants. It was around 1970 that it was set at between 35.0 and 35.5 mm, but as a borderline "deep groove" with an outer diameter of usually 37.5mm. If you have a ruler with metric measurements divided into 0.5mm, please double check the pressing ring dimensions. Side 1 after 1970 would have also had a smaller ring of between 9.5 and 10.0mm, and Side 2 about 13.5mm. If the pressing ring is 35.0 to 35.5mm, then Discogs would be in the right to call you on dating it as 1969.

As to the 'P14' dash numbers you cite: That would have been cut around '71 by Capitol's New York studios, before that set of Scully 601's ('P' was the master, 'T' the slave) was replaced with a singular Neumann VMS-66 lathe that cut lacquers with 'R#' dash numbers. As of 1969, most stereo New York lacquers were cut with 'W' or 'X' dash numbers.

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Comment by GimmeVinyl:

I'm being told that the second pressing copies from Winchester weren't released until 1971.. with matrix # starting at SO-1-383-P14 and SO-2-383-P14...

I'm going to have to double check the matrix #s on my Winchester pressing for verification.

I got scolded on Discogs for changing the year of the Winchester second pressing from 1971 to 1969. Does anyone have irrefutable proof that the second pressing is indeed from late '69 or early '70?

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Comment by GimmeVinyl:

Umm... The small squarish thing that is imbedded into the pavement below Ringo and John's foot... Is this the "drain"? To me it looks like some sort of access cover..

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Comment by GimmeVinyl:

Just picked up a nice Winchester copy today... It has Her Majesty on the back, but I don't see a street drain.. it matches the jacket listed.

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Added Club Edition cover and label scans.

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Comment by W.B.lbl:

Yep. Now as to the label backdrops printed, there were as much differences. I should note that Artco Press in Terre Haute, IN printed Apple blanks for Jacksonville, but their blacks were - well, too black, and apparently the blanks Jacksonville used for {Images #1014629 & 1014630} may've been Keystone in Scranton - which blanks were definitely used by Winchester {Images #1445551 & 1445552}. Keystone used 80 lb. Matte coated paper (.005 caliper). {Images #529928 & 529929} in terms of the full and sliced apple, would have been printed by Stoughton Printing of City of Industry, CA - whose apples were more yellowish and less bluish than Keystone and even Artco represented them, and which used 70 lb. Matte (Paloma Matte by Consolidated Papers, according to Jack Stoughton Jr.) (.0045 caliper).

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Comment by thewillismon ●:

Track A3
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Comment by JPGR&B SUBS:

No. 1 in the Top 50 vinyl albums viewed yesterday, Tuesday 5 December 2023.

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Comment by robozuc:

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Comment by drwinstonboogie1978:

Addition of label variation. Pressing done by Customatrix (Subsidiary of Columbia/CBS)
A: SMAS 1-3410 Z-15 HARE KRSNA TML. o
B: SMAS 2-3410 Z-15 HARE RAMA TML. o

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Added Los Angeles pressing of this record.

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Added Los Angeles pressing of this record.

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Comment by Vinyl Fan:

Added Los Angeles pressings of this record.

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Comment by drwinstonboogie1978:

Gatefold and label variant scans added
Matrix Side 1&4
STBO-1-2222-X9 ─◁ - STBO-4-2222-X7 ─◁
Side 2&3
STBO-2-2222-X7 ─◁ - STBO-3-2222-X10 ─◁