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Apollo59 14th Apr 2017		CD Album Grinderman - Grinderman	Also EU version, same Cat #'s, same layout and design CD made in EU Printed in EU
Apollo59 14th Apr 2017		CD Album Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads	The initial UK copies were very similar the Australian. I'll upload it when I get around to it.
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album The Byrds - The Byrds	I'd always thought that I had the US issue and used to make a point of going to Tower, as that's where you got them. Oh well.
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album Captain Beefheart And His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica	Standard issue as sold in all Tower Records retail shops in UK.
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album Captain Beefheart And His Magic Band - The Mirror Man Sessions	Sold in UK upon day of release
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album Captain Beefheart And His Magic Band - Safe As Milk	This and the simultaneous release of Mirror Man were in fact the first issue copies to be sold in UK - I bought them both on the day of release. They are manufactured by BMG Distribution, owned by BMG Entertainment, USA, but not necessarily manufactured in USA - and I really don't think they were.
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album Captain Beefheart And His Magic Band - The Legendary A&M Sessions	Without wishing to rock the boat any further, it should be noted that technically this was not released for Singles Charts entry purposes on any of it's previous three releases, October 1984 on A&M, October 1986 on Edsel, March 1992 on Edsel. It is listed on some archives as a Mini LP.
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album Canned Heat - Uncanned!	European issue: Made in Holland, also available with green and purple(ish) cds both with main cat#
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie	gregs78s: OK, we know this title was released internationally because we know there's 20+ separate editions released in various countries, or regions of countries. However, the cat code for this particular edition, UK, isn't international and was only used for purposes of UK EMI catalogue. Therefore, in this instance, what do we do with it as it was only sold in UK? I agree with your suggestion that the selection boxes need expanding to handle multiple entry data for such releases - otherwise it'll never work. It's entirely obvious that this facility should have been in position from the off. But this could have repercussions of further confusion. I'd opt for 1) where was CD made, 2) where was sleeve printed, 3) which country did you buy it in (if you can remember) On another post, I asked the question why Japanese releases aren't considered as International. I can walk into certain stores in UK and buy them. I haven't come across any so far being tagged as International here on 45 world, and had said there appears to be one rule for some and not for others. Btw, how are the Mods contacted to give their opinions?
Apollo59 12th Apr 2017		CD Album The Byrds - The Byrds	Correct catalogue code: 467611 2 (discs weren't available as separates)
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Kate Bush - The Red Shoes	My copy is CD: made in Holland. Rear cover: printed in Holland
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Kate Bush - The Sensual World	There was a time when the US industry didn't like albums with uneven numbers of tracks and would either delete or add to accordingly.
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love	Moved comment to the notes / lorangrecords
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love	Digital Remastering by Chris Blair (if he isn't mentioned on the original CD)
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Buffalo Springfield - Box Set	Remastered to HDCD, and far superior sound to original 2001 edition
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Roy Buchanan - Bluz For Jimi	Live in USA 1985
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Roy Buchanan - The World's Greatest Unknown Guitarist	Live 1985
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Jack Bruce - Shadows In The Air	Also available with SMRCD 1 42 printed above barcode and spine, same disc design and details Barcode: 5050749214225
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album Jackson Browne - Lives In The Balance	My original 1986 copy purchased upon release has the same lighter coloured front sleeve (as shown for the European release), with a grey coloured background rear sleeve. Same disc info and design - CD: Made in Great Britain Rear sleeve: Manufactured in Germany
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album James Brown - The 50th Anniversary Collection	Also available in UK with UTV Records on rear sleeve and discs, same Cat No. A Universal Music Company on rear sleeve Barcode: 602498607251
Apollo59 11th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie	This is the UK version. Other Euro countries had their own versions - all with flags on the hinge panel and these wouldn't be leaving that territory for sale elsewhere (at least officially) These are the ones I've come across that I can remember: Denmark Netherlands Greece Norway/Sweden Germany/Switzerland/Austria (I'm sure there were editions for both France and Spain, too) Eastern European (I don't know which countries, never seen any (I've read they didn't have flags on the hinge panel) + I've seen info elsewhere for: USA/Canada Argentina/Mexico Chile New Zealand (the code is EMI 7243 5 41925 2 4) I think this example proves the case completely. An International release can only technically be such if there is only ONE catalogue code.
Apollo59 10th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie	gregs78s: The flag icon wasn't positioned on the spine, but on the hinge panel. And bear in mind that Nicholas Pegg isn't always bang-on correct - there's loads of errors in his books that remain as statement of fact from reprint to reprint without ever being corrected.
Apollo59 9th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Best Of David Bowie 1969/1974	Hi PhilMH, Well, yes, I'm aware of that having bought a few thousand here and there and I think I've previously indicated that. But I do not agree with your analogy of what exactly designates a true International release. Because many discs are made for that very sales purpose and are International. However, just because a title gets shipped to an external territory to that of its original intended market zone, does not automatically give it such concrete status. It could be that It was an unexpected hot seller. There's been hundreds of examples of records selling very well down under yet hardly troubling the top 40 in UK, and vice versa. So if a company is switched on enough to make the most of that point in time by getting extra over from wherever, that action actually concedes that it is a temporary measure and not a planned marketing strategy encompassing multiple territories. There is a difference. And particularly where there exists evidence of a local coding and stocks of manufacture that may well have sold out their initial run. Because it strikes me as kind of odd, as Lee explained below, that he's got copies of the same reissue series from both domestic and Euro. Why would that be? I just think the category is being misused to some extent. And I'll ask this - since when was a Japanese import selling for double the price in a UK store ever considered "International"? Never. They remain Japanese, always were, always will be. Is there one rule for one lot and another for others? Seems to me there is. I also disagree with your belief that the size of a country's market is irrelevant. That market size dictates and determines everything - the whole manufacturing process is geared towards market forces, hence why they operate pre-sales quotas to give a clearer indication of sales ratios. No company is going to manufacture 100 of something that they only expect to sell 20 of. No company is going to ship 20 of something that they hope to sell 100 of etc. Simplification at base level here, I realise, but that's basically how it is approached. Whilst this particular angle isn't the point in hand, it's indicative of why they need to shift stuff, which brings it back to what exactly is an International. So if I sent Lee Wrecker over a copy of my neighbour's wee private press CD of him singing sea shanties, would that qualify as an International - just because it left these shores? Anyway, If you've got the tech-how on how to fix, great, I'm all ears.
Apollo59 9th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Best Of David Bowie 1969/1974	Hi Lee Wrecker, I agree with you and said so before with previous comments. OK, so I didn't know that about that particular Bowie title. I'm just going by memory when I used to scour the shops in Sydney and was seeing loads of stuff made Euro/UK. But you know what I'm saying. And it's interesting to know that they do slightly alter the code in Oz, which can only be as a ready reckoner and therefore imho firmly establishes that as a separate entity - because of that coding rearrangement. I said previously that we are in danger of classifying too much as US/UK/EU and that has to be avoided if the system permits. Trouble is - and it occurred to me straight off and looms ever larger now, what if - and it has happened - the original poster made a mistake with the digit codes, some reconfigure the spacing, or leave a digit off the front and end, for only reasons they'll know. And if there's no photocopy stuff it's harder to judge. People have made mention of Discogs as a secondary reference zone, but it's rife with mistakes itself. Another thing - there's way fewer CD press plants operating these days and have been dwindling since the advent of the mp3, which seems to be the preference of the casual people. Which therefore means that more and more discs will be getting shipped around across the world from fewer sources, where a very large percentage could/would be classified as International, right? But that doesn't solve the immediate issue at hand here. I really don't think it matters in which particular country anybody bought a CD in, it's the gubbins printed on it that counts - because we know stuff is moving around, so no surprises there. The sooner we lose this 1960's mentality of the thrills of an "import" or an "export" as something to behold, the better. CDs are nothing like the days of vinyl 45's and LP's, but the system is geared towards that and doesn't work quite as well as it could. No, I haven't read that book you mentioned, but I'll make a point of getting hold of it.
Apollo59 9th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Never Let Me Down	But this release doesn't have a barcode, so why give it one?
Apollo59 9th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Best Of David Bowie 1969/1974	Hi Lee Wrecker, I'd like to add to a couple of points should be mentioned here. Firstly, if every same title release, albeit with same catalogue numbers isn't separated by country/region of manufacture - what happens to the archive data list? Why can't there be a separate entry for the disc made in Holland and that made in UK? Isn't that the whole point of the exercise - to ascertain exactly what's out there. The very reason that I happen to own the UK manufactured version as opposed to the Holland, is because I bought it on the day of release (or pretty much). Those owning the made in Holland version although having bought it in UK, would have purchased much later after the UK stocks depleted and extra stock as required were moved in from the Euro depots. This happens all the time, or at least since the advent of data storage technology, as opposed to back in the 70's with vinyl, where large stocks would be languishing in some warehouse in Germany, with not a copy to be found on a shelf in UK. Basically, one would not have been able to get hold of a made in Holland edition in the UK upon this disc's release - and vice versa were one buying in Holland, but you might not know that living in Australia. Secondly, honestly, Australia is a tiny market and should not be considered as any kind of indicator. Considering this was the 3rd time around as a CD pressing, I think it's safe to say that EMI were smart enough to know that sales numbers wouldn't be that high as to warrant separate manufacture in both the EU and Australia. It's not too difficult just to ship 50,000 copies over to Oz, as that's about all it would have sold. However, I'm with you all the way with everything else you stated. I'm beginning to think, correction, I know I know a hell of a lot more about Bowie's releases - and a whole load of other artists, too, than the casual fan and probably the Moderators - if they were honest. I have a data info list of my Bowie collection which runs to 94 A4 pages. Technically this CD is a European release and not an International. Anything can be international - all one needs to do is order them from one territory to another. I used to do this with Italian bootlegs and ship them over to Singapore and Jakarta - that was my "weekend" hobby job. I could also have organised an account with any distributor and imported their discs, too, but I wasn't interested in mainstream stuff, just top end quality bootlegs. You might have bought some of my Italian stuff down your way as I also sold on to shops in Sydney and Melbourne. Also if you've ever been in Dubai or the Gulf region, you will see that all USA, UK, European (and anywhere else for that matter) CD's have a sticker placed on the front sleeve (under the casing) stating "For Sale In Gulf States Only", basically meaning that they cannot be exported back out again. These CD's may have been made in Holland, for example, but had never originally been intended for distribution to the Gulf, and only have been because of a few entrepreneurial individuals (usually from the Indian community) who have opened up retail CD shops and selling to the local ex-pat community. Another point I'd like to make - the entry facility data proforma for bootlegs. Now any major dude will tell you (yes, I am one, t-shirt, anorak, the lot) that most major artists (not those "majors" recording now, obviously!) will have a ratio of around a minimum of approximately 50 bootlegs available for every one of their official albums. In some cases it's at extremity levels, for example, Jimi Hendrix (of which I own every single recorded second of music that he recorded) with some 830 bootlegs out there (plus several hundred private collectors tapes not in general circulation). How is an entry under "Bootleg" ever going to achieve anything here? Is the country of manufacture just an off-the-cuff semi-interesting by-note? Did they realise that bootleg manufacturing started in western European territories, moved to Eastern following the shut down cull when the record companies eventually smartened up their act and ended up in Israel? Or is nobody interested? The naivety of the proforma planning is remarkable, obviously designed by the guy with pipe and slippers who bought his records from Woolworths and Boots The Chemist, all being Greatest Hits and Best Of's etc. Don't they understand the plethora of duplicate titles employed in this domain, or at least very similar? Did they actually ever realise the magnitude of releases. They obviously never read Clinton Heylin's "The Great White Wonders" history of bootlegs book. Or cast their eyes on "Strangers And Prophets Vols 1 & 2", with full pictorial and written analysis of the first 200 Bob Dylan CD bootlegs, published 1990 & 1991, at only 999 printed copies each. That's 200 silver disc factory pressed bootlegs manufactured from 1988 to 1990. Just the first 200... This is the world that I inhabit - detail, Detail, DETAIL.
Apollo59 8th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Best Of David Bowie 1969/1974	Also with exact same catalogue number with CD made in UK and Printed in UK
Apollo59 7th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars (30th Anniversary 2CD Edition)	This is the issue where some Abbey Road mastering engineer made a blooper with cut-editing the intros to two tracks. He never worked another Bowie release again.
Apollo59 7th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Space Oddity	Lost the back sleeve part with the barcode - I put the cases (also other Bowie CD's) down for a sec, having just loaded the CD player in the boot, and the wife reversed over them = shredded.
Apollo59 7th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - London Boy	Still the only CD to contain the complete length 4m 30s original version of Space Oddity, recorded 2 February 1969.

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