Latest Updates - Fritz Kreisler

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Comment by melle51:

[YouTube Video]

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Comment by Groovy:

If it helps my ladel size is 3 11/16"

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Comment by xiphophilos:

"I cannot find BVE-14343 in DAHR." Maybe because the prefix BVE would mark an electric recording, and this is an acoustic one? For that reason alone, the record on Internet Archive with the title "Viennese Popular Song" is definitely not a take 11, but a take 1. Any electric recording released after 1926 would have to be on a Scroll label.

Here's the link to the DAHR entry for the electric re-recordings of the song from 1927 and 1928, matrix BVE-14343, takes 11 to 14:
https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/1000003965/BVE-14343-The_old_refrain

It doesn't appear that any of these takes were released.

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Comment by han enderman:

Victrola 720 - DAHR says under Notes: "For takes 10-11, see BVE-14343", so the 1 visible on the archive image could mean 11. In that case, this pressing is a later pressing and maybe then the title error was made. I cannot find BVE-14343 in DAHR. What take is on Groovy's copy at 9 ?

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Comment by han enderman:

Victrola 720 - I just added the image of the corrected 720-A from archive, to show that the runout of both versions has a different size. I thought it meant a different take. Or do these Victrolas have labels of different size? - Playing time shown on archive for The Old Refrain is 2:38; for Viennese Popular Song 2:55.

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Comment by W.B.lbl:

I presume, because of {Image #3461041}, the label would be 4.0625" diameter? Or would that be 3.6875"?

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Comment by W.B.lbl:

From what I see and have measured from the pics, the label was ~2.9375".

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Comment by Groovy:

Sorry runout on A side is 2b 720 A . B side is a 720 B. nothing else anyehere in the runout. But label is a dark red.

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Comment by xiphophilos:

We would need to know the entire runout strings of both sides here, including the take numbers in the 9 o'clock position. Could you please provide them?
Usually, when there are a number and letter in front of the catalog number in the runouts, the letter is a capital letter, not a lower-case one. I'd expected to find something like "²ᴬ720A" on the A side. Is that what you have? And is there nothing else anywhere in the runout?

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Comment by Groovy:

A side Matrix 2a 720

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Comment by xiphophilos:

We can also simply link the two versions (see below), which makes it easier to list the correct A title in the title fields. The Internet Archive version, by the way, has a 1 at the 9 o'clock position, that is, take 1, which DAHR lists as "Master/destroy".

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Comment by han enderman:

Victrola 720-A - label with alternative title added (mistitled first pressing?), from archive, which can be very useful to trace some popular recordings and where they can be heard (which is the real aim of that website). - At present this different title is listed as a separate entry, but I would prefer to keep such kind of information together, as title variations are not unusual.

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Comment by xiphophilos:

Based on the catalog number 720 (i.e., a 10-inch record below 917) and label design, this record, with take 5 on the A side) was part of the first selection of 140 older recordings coupled on the new double-faced Victrola records, cf. announcement in The Talking Machine World, September 15, 1923, page 24.

Originally, B-14343, take 5 had been released in July 1916 as "The Old Refrain" (Vienna Popular Song) [not Viennese] on Victor 64529.

In 1924, the old stampers of "The Old Refrain" became too worn to make more pressings, and Kreisler recorded a new version (take 9) so that the popular Victrola 720 could continue to be sold.

So far, there is not a single picture online of a Victrola 720 label that lists the title of the A side as "Viennese Popular Song". Is there any way you could take at least an image with your phone and upload it?

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Comment by Groovy:

My title is not [ The Old Refrain ] the title is [ Viennese Popular Song ].

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Comment by han enderman:

Victrola 709 - label images added, from archive, where the music can be heard.

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Comment by Redpunk:

Added later label scans.