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annaloog ● 3rd Feb 2022
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fixbutte wrote:
... regardless the use of the new Elektra label design. Discs were made for WEA in the first CD pressing plant in the world in Hannover, West Germany, owned by PolyGram Records. Early discs had a "target" label with ....
Oddly (or interestingly), the CD image which fixbutte provided [#337083] shows the black ink missing, most noticeably with the Elektra logo. I have provided an image scanned from my copy (purchased in May 1985) which shows the black color [image #2880184], and thus the 'complete' Elektra logo.
BTW, differences in tint (esp. the red) may be due to different scanners ... that shown for my image closely matches my copy. |
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gregs45s SUBS 2nd Apr 2020
| | "One of us...one of us...one of us"...;) |
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Magic Marmalade 2nd Apr 2020
| | Patronising?
... of course not my little love!
(bless your cotton socks:)
- No, not at all. Have to admit I feel a little lost at the moment, like I'm at the dashboard of a jumbo jet - "How the hell do I do th... oh!... there's the button!"
(So forgive me if I accidentally hit the wrong thing occasionally and shoot you all out the window with yer luggage)
The good Doctor requires that we send him our souls in a jar... he keeps them lined up on cobweb ridden shelves in his shed of Doooooom! |
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gregs45s SUBS 2nd Apr 2020
| | Nice one MM, the force is once again balanced.
I hope i didn't come across as patronising MM?, i realise it will take a little while to get back in the swing of things after you have been away a while.
Will you have to re-do the initiation ceremony in the deep dark woods with Dr.Doom again?, or will the original blood letting suffice? :) |
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Magic Marmalade 2nd Apr 2020
| | All done.
(I still think all targets should be listed as German though :D |
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gregs45s SUBS 2nd Apr 2020
| | Almost MM:) but all Syd Vliet's scans need to be moved to the European (1984) entry, leaving only the two fixbutte's scans here on this entry.
And change date on the European entry from 1984 to 1985, et Voila;)
(And USA is right for this one btw) |
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Magic Marmalade 2nd Apr 2020
| | Right, given this a first edit, if someone can check my homework for me.
However...
(Oh Oh!)
I have spotted two anomalies!:
1. The target disc itself only has the EKS cat# on it (but we trust that the disc came in the artwork provided by fixbutte,
2. On the disc and other artwork that I sent over to the other entry, and which matches kab's, there is a discrepancy between the cat on the spines and on the lower back right of the cover.:
Spine reads: 242 080, but the back cover gives this original cat: 042 080 (cut and paste artwork slipping past the proof reader type person perhaps?:)
((Not entirely sure this should be U.S either, come to think of it)) |
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gregs45s SUBS 1st Apr 2020
| | Yep MM, spotted it, ( i left a note...at bottom;)
All Syd Vliet's scans can be moved to that entry, just add the secondary Cat.No,so it reads ...242 080 / EKS 75007-2, and you have to decide between Syd's rear tray artwork or kab2112's
(Syd's image 336439)
And amend the Cat.No. on this US release so it reads.... EKS 75007-2 / 042 080....
and change country from International to USA
(Note the 1984 date can be removed from the European entry until a date is known) |
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Magic Marmalade 1st Apr 2020
| | Greg (and others) could you take a look at the linked European entry at the bottom of the page (which has no disc scan) and see if that might be an appropriate pre-existing home for anything on this page (or vice versa) - looks like an intermediate cover between the two entries here (spines /back cover).
(I just don't want to do anything too rashly and only end up muddying the waters further with too many replicated /redundant entries) |
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Magic Marmalade 31st Mar 2020
| | Let me see...
...I have this one,
Eagles - Hotel California,
(Big thrill finding that, especially as it was not long after learning about targets, and resolving to find at least one, or find out just how hard they are to find in the wild)
Prince - Purple rain
Phil Collins - No Jacket Required (2 Copies of)
- Both of these last two are silver discs with black targets, which are incredibly easy to find, and a good entry point into the world of targets
Al Jerreau - High Crime
Howard Jones - Human's Lib
Phil Collins - Face Value
All of which are teal coloured face with red target designs (All found weeks apart in the same shop oddly).
Overall they are pretty scarce indeed, but as this represents two years of conscious looking, they do occasionally turn up.
Also, have an early blue face Genesis, One Philips Blue Face, but the two kinds I am yet to find, because they incredibly rare (and therefore valuable) are a Polydor Red Face, and the holy grail in CD collecting: A Mercury Green Arrow disc (preferably by Rush: Moving Pictures - take a look for the value of that one if you want a shock! :)
I mainly get hooked on collecting different things because I stumble across something of a kind, then find, quite automatically that I've begun actively looking for them - "Ah nuts, guess I'm collecting that now am I?!!!).
The hunt is the thing.
And in the absence of a decent bit of vinyl on any given day, they make a nice fall back. |
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gregs45s SUBS 31st Mar 2020
| | Yes indeed, early Targets can be tricky, personally, i only have two, yourself? |
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Magic Marmalade 31st Mar 2020
| | Oops, you're right, the power of assumption strikes again!
(this is why I need to devote more attention to it)
...but there is a grey back for the target too! - honest-er :) |
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gregs45s SUBS 31st Mar 2020
| | With all due respect MM, they should really be split as outlined below, neither Discs, nor artwork were interchangeable in this particular case, honest!;) |
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Magic Marmalade 31st Mar 2020
| | I'll get to this one perhaps tomorrow chaps, as I have got s few other bits to get to in other worlds
(I am, after all, an interdimensional being :)
...but it will be on my "to do" list.
The thing about this / these target discs (and the silver stock disc image), is that, according both to Discogs, and those I've seen on ebay, is that the cover art that the silver stock came in can also be found with a target disc in it - that the back cover housing one can be green or the grey, and the disc within can be either black text or white...
(maybe this is the difference between a "Made for U.S.A", and a "Made for Europe" ?)
So I'd have to copy one (or both) of the covers over to any new entry, and leave a set of both here... only moving the disc image.
And the other thing is that I had been trying to find a way to distinguish between cases that are more likely to have a target in them (any artist or title) and those that don't, so I can zero in on them from the spines in stores etc. And What I can say about any I have found here in Europe at least, is that they all have the two line (additional) cat numbers on the spines, Whether that's the same with a "made for U.S.A" Target, I do not know.
Something to investigate I suppose. |
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gregs45s SUBS 31st Mar 2020
| | Yes, agreed Lee, there are two separate releases here, and so should be split thus....
1/ (the two fixbutte scans)
Label - Elektra
Country - US
Cat.No - EKS 75007-2 / 042 080
Date - Oct 1984
(same as this one)
2/ ( all Syd Vliet's scans)
Label - Elektra
Country - Europe
Cat. No. - 242 080 / EKS 75007-2
Date - (Unknown)
(same as this one)
i'll put in a request. (note : the European entry has already been added (kab2112's) and so just needs to be merged) |
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Lee Wrecker 30th Mar 2020
| | Eeks! what happened to the EKS that precedes the numbers in the US cat#? In the comments fixbutte correctly lists the US cat# as EKS 75007-2 but we have it listed as 75007-2. The EU disc pictured has the cat# 242 080 on the disc and spine but is listed as 042 080 on all the inlays pictured here. Therefore, the EU cat# 242 080 does not appear on any US releases at all and for that reason we should consider splitting the EU and US versions. This was early days in CD manufacture and what we have here is a CD made at the same pressing plant in West Germany but made specifically for two different markets.
In the US the cat# EKS 75007-2 was used up to 1989 for two subsequent releases of this CD and they when they appear should be added here. The EU CD cat# 242 080 was issued once in 1984 before the cat# was changed to 975 007-2 in 1988. The cuffs and collars don't match here for this CD to be listed as international and I think we should split them into separate EU and US listings. What do others think? |
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Magic Marmalade 30th Mar 2020
| | There are two variations of this target CD, one with black text (common - er), one with white text (less common) on the disc face. |
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fixbutte 13th Jun 2014
| | This first CD issue of Morrison Hotel did not come out in Feb 1986, as Martin C. Strong's Great Rock Discography says, but in Oct 1984, regardless the use of the new Elektra label design. Discs were made for WEA in the first CD pressing plant in the world in Hannover, West Germany, owned by PolyGram Records. Early discs had a "target" label with only the US catalogue number (EKS 75007-2) and the text "Made in West Germany by PolyGram" printed along the perimeter at the bottom, whereas both the US and European cat# were on the package. I have added an example of a disc and the back cover of such an early issue. |
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Syd Vliet 14th May 2014
| | Now finished adding disc scans for all of The Doors' mid-1980's CD's. Three different Elektra label designs during this period. |
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