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Member	Item		Review/Comment
Lee Wrecker 23rd Mar 2018		CD Album Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - Henry's Dream (1992)	Linked to Australian primary release for this CD.
Lee Wrecker 23rd Mar 2018		CD Album Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - Let Love In (1994)	Linked to Australian primary release for this CD.
Lee Wrecker 23rd Mar 2018		CD Album Heart - Greatest Hits (1990)	kab2112 it also seems to have the very same printed in the USA booklet and inlay. So a merger is warranted here in my view but I still believe the international listings increase the likelihood of duplicate entries. How long will it be before someone in the States lists this again as a USA release? Probably not long I'd venture. We still need to clarify the CD entry guidelines because if Leonard, yourself and I are still having issues after each of us having years of experience on the site it is obviously not clear enough a process to follow. Surely the days of just bang 'em in and they'll sort themselves out are over? Sandwiches anyone - lunch party?
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Simon And Garfunkel - The Definitive Simon And Garfunkel (1991)	Quad5point1 I think the CDs are the same but the hub is just rotated in a different position when each one was printed they seem to have the same details - hefty1's scan does seem to have a thicker, double the text size hub though. So you could have a point there.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Paul Weller - Find The Torch, Burn The Plans (2010)	Should this be here? Should it be just in the DVD section? Or should it be in both? What do people think?
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Simon And Garfunkel - The Definitive Simon And Garfunkel (1991)	Added scans to complete hefty1's entry on this one. Two scans the Inlay and CD are for moderation but the rest just need to be put in place. Promised to do it in 10 mins but took 19 mins a typical 10min job - takes at least twice as long as you think - but still pretty swift start to finish. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Simon And Garfunkel - The Definitive Simon And Garfunkel (1991)	Quad5point1 I just popped in the computer and it came with 20 tracks and with 15 Old Friends and 16 Bookends with separate times for each. So just a unique track listing for Australia on this one. Looked at the scans and wondered why some were missing then realised that I didn't do this entry. So with a nod to hefty1 for doing the initial entry I'll upload a full set for this one and have them moderated. Should be done in 10 mins - that's a challenge I haven't scanned them yet.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Simon And Garfunkel - The Definitive Simon And Garfunkel (1991)	Tracks 15-16 on the linked releases are combined as track 15 Old Friends / Bookends Theme on this release. They are the same CDs there is no difference in the tracks just how they are listed.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Boredoms - Super Ae (1998)	Added composer credits and booklet scans to finish this one off.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Bootsy Collins - Back In The Day: The Best Of Bootsy Collins (1994)	Linked to USA edition and sent correction to change label to Warner Archives. Full set of scans in the pipeline or is that pipe-dream - it is a fairly big booklet.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Mar 2018		CD Album Brakes - The Beatific Visions (2006)	Sent correction (country) and added booklet and promo card scans to finish this one off.
Lee Wrecker 20th Mar 2018		CD Album Bob Seger And The Silver Bullet Band - Greatest Hits (1994)	kab2112 the "12 Digit Barcodes are:- "Unique Product Identifiers" " argument has been put by PhilMH and I many times and we have not been successful on any occasion that I can remember. There is another set of specifics for CD entry put together by Dr Doom which goes along the lines that CD's must be "identical" to be EU or international and this seems to be the benchmark that -rightly or wrongly- a lot of site users and MODS adhere to. Look at this USA copy of Abbey Road that has the same cat#, label and barcode as this international copy that I was unable to convince anyone were the same thing. It might be worth reading the whole page of comments to see what I mean. Seems even long lost longbox cat#s constitutes a difference in some cases. In my experience in CD Albums it seems pedantry has become the norm and hair-splitting is the main game in town. Frankly, I'm not fussed by either but in the absence of any meaningful guidelines and site users opting for a version of two polar opposite approaches we can only sit and watch as the site becomes messier and messier as Leonard has pointed out. In the end though you are right and so am I but that doesn't solve anything it just makes it worse. I do wish we had a consistent approach and some workable criteria for this part of the site. Seems to me nearly everyone has their own loose interpretation of something but no-one actually knows what it is because there is a huge gulf between "matching barcode" and whatever constitutes "identical". The fact that the two approaches exist in the same space is a nonsense. Unfortunately, in my experience when I have attempted to use the barcode method it has always failed and been howled down by those that adhere to the identical approach. So good luck.
Lee Wrecker 19th Mar 2018		CD Album Bob Seger And The Silver Bullet Band - Greatest Hits (1994)	Leonard you're right and kab2112's EU release does not belong on this page and should be listed as a separate EU entry. Forget the secondary UK cat# and focus on the primary cat# for a start and you'll see that the US cat# is CDP 7243 8 30334 2 3 as listed here but the inlay and CD uploaded by kab2112 have the cat# 7243 8 30334 2 3 (no CDP). So the primary cat#s are different but the barcodes are the same and technically that's enough to make it international according to guidelines but is it practicable. I think the different primary cat#s is enough to go on to separate these releases. Incidentally, the Australian issue of this CD copies the USA issue artwork down to the CDP 7243 8 30334 2 3 cat# on the spine but has a different cat# 8303342 on the actual disc. Messier and messier you say leonard, I agree. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 14th Mar 2018		CD Album The Rolling Stones - Got Live If You Want It (1987)	PCB5394's image 594345 looks to be a straight cop from this mistake riddled entry from another site. It is the EU disc as PhilMH points out and should not be here - the cat# doesn't match for a start and I could go on but it definitely doesn't belong on this entry.
Lee Wrecker 10th Mar 2018		CD Album Dave Edmunds - Plugged In (1994)	They are indeed the same as far as I can see Jo. A merger is required.
Lee Wrecker 10th Mar 2018		CD Album The Mars Volta ‎ - The Bedlam In Goliath (2007)	Hi Phil, the linked USA release is on Universal but the EU issue and this release are farmed out through Island. Must be some Universal in the USA and through Island for the rest of the world type of deal and because Island is the boutique label in that context and site policy is to list the boutique label before the major I feel it would be Island first in this instance. This would be in line with Dr Doom's EU listing from the same band here. Although that one came through a different set of boutique labels but is consistent with this Australian release that I also entered and have requested to be changed to match Dr. Doom's method of label entry. So in line with that the primary label here would be Island (boutique) and the secondary Universal (major) as is customary on the site. Personally, I don't mind either way but I do like to see consistency across the site. One thing is for sure though and that is the majors don't know their arse from the elbows when it comes to labels these days. Facsimile labels and sometimes a complete absence of data or logos on labels make it very tricky sometimes. This label does have Universal Records written on it but no logo and the small print on the inlay actually say "licensed exclusively in the UK to Universal-Island Records Ltd.. Then "marketed In Australasia by Universal Music Australia under exclusive license. Made in Australia" Which would indicate "Universal" as you say but why put the "Island" EU information in before it and include the Island logo? Is it sloppy artwork, copying or of any import? Who knows? One thing is for sure though and that is that this is a uniquely Australian CD. By the way what would be the chances of having anything with the Apple logo on it changed to Universal under the same pretext. Answer - none at all!
Lee Wrecker 10th Mar 2018		CD Album The Mars Volta ‎ - De-Loused In The Comatorium (2003)	The impeccable Dr. Doom lists a similar release this way Gold Standard Laboratories / Strummer / Universal and that should most likely apply to this disc too. Correction sent but at a look at Dr. Doom's entry might help these are a little tricky. Added disc scan (left languishing in the folder on my computer for some reason) and booklet scans.
Lee Wrecker 10th Mar 2018		CD Album The Mars Volta ‎ - The Bedlam In Goliath (2007)	Maybe list as Island / Universal or Universal / Island? I don't know the majors really do make spotting the actual label hard sometimes. Put in a correction to change to Island already but I'm still not sure which way to go on this one.
Lee Wrecker 10th Mar 2018		CD Album Dwight Yoakam - Gone (1995)	Linked to Australian (primary) release.
Lee Wrecker 9th Mar 2018		CD Album Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells A Story (1984)	Run in seems somehow more appropriate for CD Albums world though.
Lee Wrecker 7th Mar 2018		CD Album XTC - The Dukes Of Stratosphear (2001)	Linked to USA CD (primary release) already listed on the site. According to the other site the release is 2002 in spite of publishing + copyright being listed as 2001 on the packaging. I don't know which is correct.
Lee Wrecker 6th Mar 2018		CD Album The Beatles - Yellow Submarine Songtrack (2012)	Label Code LC 0299 is Parlophone and this was released in Argentina with the same barcode and almost identical cat# 50999 6214542 8 but it is barcodes only that determine the same product in the guide. International? In this day and age I find to hard to believe that this was a UK only release and I think the odds on this being released in Australia if a local version wasn't produced would be over 95%.
Lee Wrecker 6th Mar 2018		CD Album The Rolling Stones - Live Licks (2004)	Label here should be Virgin. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 4th Mar 2018		CD Album Bob Dylan - The Best Of Bob Dylan (1997)	This was released in Indonesia with the same details so International I'm afraid. I doubt whether Sony ever shipped any from Indonesia to the UK or EU (which is what I would have listed it as in the first place) but them's the rules we live by. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 3rd Mar 2018		CD Album The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers (1994)	The Guide - Adding CD Albums makes no mention of anything other than a matching barcode to identify a matching release. So any other criteria being used including the label, cat#, price codes, local cat#s, secondary cat#s, label codes and publishing rights is just people making up the rules as they go along. So this and this are the same product according to our site guidelines. Or is there another set of rules somewhere that includes all this other stuff? If there is I'd like to see it so I don't get so confused as to what's meant to be going on when entering CDs. I would actually prefer secondary cat#s to be included as they are often where the differences lie between releases from different countries.
Lee Wrecker 3rd Mar 2018		CD Album The Jam - Sound Affects (1990)	This one is international there is a USA release with the same cat#, barcode and label. Inlay back and CD scans added. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 3rd Mar 2018		CD Album Air - Moon Safari (1998)	Added full inlay (back) scan to replace my cropped image #909313 that had the spines edited out. It would be good if some Australian MODS could have a look at this one as it has a specific Australian ordering cat# 8449782 in the barcode box and the product is completely made in Australia. In light of how the USA Capitol CD of the Beatles "Abbey Road" was given USA national status on the strength of the Capitol ordering cat# on the longbox surely the same should apply here and the Australian issue given it's own page. If not an explanation would be nice...what's good for the goose...
Lee Wrecker 3rd Mar 2018		CD Album Various Artists - If It Ain't A Hit, I'll Eat My...Baby! (1990)	The cover shot here is a bit near the knuckle but could have been worse if it were rotated 90 degrees to the right. Some good stuff on this one though in spite of the salacious attention grabbing title and artwork.
Lee Wrecker 2nd Mar 2018		CD Album Various Artists - Radio 1 Established 1967 (2007)	Jack White's "The Raconteurs" are known as "The Saboteurs" in Australia. Wikipedia notes "The Raconteurs were renamed as "The Saboteurs" for the Australian market when it was discovered that a Queensland band was already using the name "Raconteurs". The Queensland band refused to give up their name for the amount of money they were offered, and instead asked for a higher price from The Raconteurs' record company, who refused to pay the greater amount. A member of the Queensland band said that they had not been informed of who was trying to buy their name and asked for the larger sum of money to see what would happen." By the way, for a change, I wasn't involved in this fiasco.
Lee Wrecker 2nd Mar 2018		CD Album David Bowie - Heroes (1999)	This identical CD was released in Australia. International? It was also released in Argentina and Canada with the same cat#, label and barcode. The USA edition has the same details but is on Virgin for some reason so that needs a separate entry. If EU or UK price codes, publishing rights and secondary cat#s have anything to do with entering CDs can we have something in the guidelines to explain how to use them. My suggestion on this is, if discrepancies in price codes, publishing rights and secondary cat#s exist that they be added to the notes and NOT used as evidence to create separate entries. I have done this myself and got away with it. If the primary cat#, label and barcode match surely that's enough to declare a CD international if not we need to set some new parameters.

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