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Lee Wrecker 13th May 2017		CD Album Syd Barrett - The Best Of Syd Barrett (2001)	Is the title not "Best of Syd Barrett: Wouldn't You Miss Me?" rather than what is here? Most places on the net and the CD itself list it as "Best of Syd Barrett: Wouldn't You Miss Me?" so why not here? Again, on the spine and disc itself the cat# is listed as 7243 5 32320 2 3 and this also seems to be convention on the net. Next UK release? Hardly, made in EU printed in EU and same cat#, label and barcode issued in Australia, USA and Canada. I actually bought this EU edition in Australia so go figure on that score. International as Esperanto by the site guidelines but still I would prefer all of them listed separately Europe, Australia, USA and Canada but that's just the way I think in terms of data entry. I don't like the idea of having something with data on it in my hand and being expected to enter different abstract data according to some nebulous set of rules. That's just the way I am I suppose. Correction sent and I'll add booklet scans soon.
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2017		CD Album Björk - Vespertine (2001)	Alright back to this one, the plot thickens, Discogs lists the Mexican as having this cat# but is wrong it is in fact 589-001-2 (24) on the Mexican release. So we can rule that out as a match. Next the cat# here should in fact be 589001-2 and not 589 001-2 as I originally entered. Even though this cat# appears on the cover sticker the label and back sticker cat#s are 589001-2 so we should go with that and Discwrongs is not correct as usual. Furthermore there are two Taiwanese issues left with the same cat# but they have the space (589 001-2) so they can be discounted. There is however, evidence of a Taiwanese issue wrongly listed on Discwrongs with the same cat# 589001-2 but this is clearly marked made and distributed in Taiwan and heavily features Taiwanese language text. So surely the two remaining cat# 589001-2 issues were purpose built for specific different markets. I move that we change cat# to 589001-2 Nevertheless, now the cat# will match the European (jewel case edition) and an edition from Chile. I still think this would be better listed as Australian, the EU version as Europe and the Chilean issue as Chile. I doubt whether any of these were produced with the intention that they would be sold in any market other than the one they were manufactured and distributed in. International in name according to us but not necessarily reflected in real life. .
Lee Wrecker 10th May 2017		CD Album The Living End - Hellbound (1995)	Apparently a re-release of the original Shock release of the same year but strangely even the Shock release has the same (UK) barcode. Three versions of this were printed in 1995 one by MDS (this) and two by Shock all with the same barcode. A bit of a weird one but definitely an Australia only release.
Lee Wrecker 9th May 2017		CD Album R.E.M. - Automatic For The People (1992)	Magic, I still refuse to succumb to the pop lite version of REM or even the so called earlier cool version. Stipend 20p eh? You was fleeced!
Lee Wrecker 8th May 2017		CD Album The Flamin' Groovies - A Bucket Of Brains (1995)	This collection of recordings was also released in Australia on vinyl in 1989 (minus the Shake Some Action (1995 Mixdown)) as the "The Rockfield Sessions" mini-album. It is a very good selection of Groovies songs with the band in top form. Produced by Dave Edmunds who knows a thing or two about recording a proper rock 'n' roll band this set is highly recommended in any format you can lay hands on.
Lee Wrecker 7th May 2017		CD Album King Crimson - Beat (2016)	Only available or sold in the UK? I doubt it, the other site lists this as UK and Europe and there are copies available worldwide that are not listed as imports. This one is a tricky customer, ticks all the boxes for UK, Europe and International. We may need to introduce a new category Universal to cater for the likes of these. There seems to be no "made in ..." information anywhere on the CD/DVD or packaging so whatever it ends up I don't mind. The International cybershop link is telling when considering the modern marketplace in that I can buy this in Australia from the USA (from the link above) and that at no point is this release considered an import. I'm not trying to be cheeky here more of a reality check of what we're dealing with in terms of how the current market operates or can be manipulated. Oh, just spotted this on page 7 of the booklet "released via Inner Knot (USA/Canada), WHD (Japan), Panegyric (rest of World)". So if that's all we have to go on it should be made International. Any other thoughts?
Lee Wrecker 5th May 2017		CD Album Emerson, Lake And Palmer - Emerson, Lake And Palmer (2001)	The booklet back added by kab2112 has a cat# SMRCD055 and is from the 2004 Sanctuary Midline re-release as Apollo59 has pointed out. This image should be removed from this entry and kab2112 should create a separate entry for the 2004 release. Or is this how the CD was when it was bought? An image of the actual CD might also help. Mod.Edit: Fixed
Lee Wrecker 23rd Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Live Santa Monica '72 (2008)	The notes state printed in the USA but this is not the case as the scans reveal it was entirely made in Europe and therefore a European release. This entry should be changed to be a 2008 European release on the EMI and not on the Virgin label as the USA equivalent was with the same cat# . Easiest way out is to amend the notes to read "Printed in the EU", change this entry to EU and change the label to EMI. The USA release has the Virgin logo on the label and inlay this one doesn't. I may have mistakenly added my images here after searching by cat# instead of going over it with a fine tooth comb. Anyway I'll send a correction. Bought my copy in Australia @ regular a outlet and regular price international anyone or is that just to messy to bother about?
Lee Wrecker 16th Apr 2017		CD Album Grinderman - Grinderman (2007)	Hello Apollo, just to clarify the data I entered from Discogs was only the barcode as I don't have a barcode scanner and that is precisely why I'm not sure about that as I'm well aware of the accuracy problems on that site. Everything else here was entered from data on my copy and the scans here are of my actual copy of this CD. Now that I look at them though I might fix up that inner right sleeve one to match the others in height. I have learned a few things about scanning images on my journey through 45Worlds. I still think the additional cat# of 3868022 on the sticker is enough to differentiate the releases - along with the fact that it's highly likely neither version would have appeared in both markets. Anyway, Apollo59 here we have a classic example of a CD that could be correctly classified both as international or Australian according to how we (or the MODS) interpret the guidelines. A bit of a curly one I reckon. Here's a link to a copy of Abbey Road where I have argued in favour of an international listing and lost on the strength of a slightly different cat# on a longbox. My view is that if this is international then so is that copy of Abbey Road. Conversely if that copy of Abbey Road is a US release then this is an Australian release on roughly the same grounds.
Lee Wrecker 15th Apr 2017		CD Album Grinderman - Grinderman (2007)	Hi, Apollo59 the cover sticker here indicates an additional cat# of 3868022 (abbreviated version for ordering purposes in Australia) is that also on the EU version? In addition are the barcodes the same? I don't have a barcode scanner so I don't know if even the one I entered here is 100% as I copied that data from Discogs as it was all I could find. My feeling on this one is that there should be separate entries for EU and Australia. There are a few unwritten rules around and one is that "Made In Australia" is enough for that release to be listed as such. The site guidelines would make this international as it is listed but to my mind it's not a good fit. No drama, just saying...
Lee Wrecker 13th Apr 2017		CD Album Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales (1993)	Magic, summoning up the Geordie MOR Devil here. No matter how you slice it this stuff is useless at heroin o'clock but I suppose it's okay for chai latte and smashed avocado time. I'll see if I can find my yoga pants. No can't find them. If I turn into a middle class, middle aged American cooligan I'll keep this in mind.
Lee Wrecker 12th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie (2002)	Apollo59 the best way to get the MODS attention and move things forward would be to start a forum. I know this area is fraught difficulties and someone is going to have to stick their head up to have it lopped off but I'll give it a crack in a day or two. I thought I had some ideas a while back but new problems have emerged since then. Anyway, I'll think about it for a day or so and post something on this topic in a forum. I'll try and make it short and straightforward along the lines of new guidelines. Wish me luck.
Lee Wrecker 11th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie (2002)	Hi gregs78s you are probably aware that I differentiated the Australian and EU 1999 Bowie EMI releases on the strength of that different secondary cat# and place of manufacture. So I obviously my opinion is to to do the same in this case. That's just my personal preference though and precisely for the reasons you state in your post that putting things in the international category strips items of any identity and essentially creates a new fictional product. When I started entering CDS a few years back the international category seemed to make some sense the way the MODS were putting it across. However, after a entering my collection I now feel that the international category makes no sense at all and know that national and regional differences are common across most CDs released worldwide. We may be living in a global supermarket and production processes have certainly changed but regardless of this many markets retain particular idiosyncrasies that cause problems for the 45 Worlds wide net blanket approach to CD entries. I think it's time for a forum on this one (not again) given that we've tried the current system out for a while and know a bit more about how it works in reality. We might want to look at the CD artist homepages as well. Well maybe not, one step at a time.
Lee Wrecker 10th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie (2002)	A quick scour on Discwrongs reveals this one to be not as international as the original poster may have thought. One and two CD versions and different tracklists as gregs78s stated below as well as many different cat#s lead me to think this may be better listed as a European release as is says on the tin.
Lee Wrecker 9th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Best Of David Bowie 1969/1974 (1997)	Hi Apollo59, "The Best Of David Bowie 1969 / 1974" was released and manufactured in Australia with mostly the same details. The only difference (see pics here) being the secondary UK cat# 821 8492 being shortened to 8218492 (no UK or space between the 1 and the 8) which is a peculiar habit of EMI in Australia and happens very often across a variety of releases. You are right that Australia is a tiny market but this is a global site and any systems for entry we use should work anywhere not just the UK, Europe and USA. You also mentioned that it's "not too difficult just to ship 50,000 copies over to Oz" and this is true but this also causes problems. As many US and European CD releases land in our stores as regular releases for our market which technically according to 45 Worlds rules makes them international. This is not a good fit and very difficult to prove from our end but the 1999 EMI Bowie back catalogue releases are a good example. I own 6 or 7 of these half of them are European releases and half are Australian pressings or at least printed here on European glass. The only difference once again with these releases is the sec. cat# as I outlined above. Australia is a major problem when it comes to the data entry system we use on this site. The real issue of the majors shipping small quantities of CDs to Australia is that it internationalises them in terms of how we should enter them on this site. Personally, I don't do it - I'm quite happy to list my European Stax, Warner Archives, and US Chess (MCA), Instant and the like as from where they're made and don't want to argue the toss. You said "Australia is a tiny market and should not be considered as any kind of indicator" but this site has to work for all of us and procedures need to be clear of unintended consequences. Unfortunately the way the Australian CD market operates could be a big problem as it has the potential to make nearly everything in CD World international the way things stand at the moment. Anyway enough of that I've read Heylin's "The Great White Wonders" and enjoyed it immensely. Have you read "Cowboys and Indies: The Epic History of the Record Industry" by Gareth Murphy? I thought it was an entertaining romp through the history of the industry. You might like if haven't already read it.
Lee Wrecker 8th Apr 2017		CD Album David Bowie - The Best Of David Bowie 1969/1974 (1997)	Well, here we go, the fact that this was released in more than two jurisdictions UK and Europe (I know one exists within the other) technically means that this is an international release and both versions should be listed on one international entry. Further to the international category being right in this case according to current 45World policy is the fact that the Australian release also has the same cat# and barcode. However, if this is the correct approach (according to the guidelines it is) all these CDs lose their identity altogether and are stored in our database in a fictional category of our own creation that bears no direct link to the product at hand for the site user. Or do we use the other criteria for international in use on 45Worlds of "identical" and get all trainspottery and parochial about secondary cat#s and places of manufacture? A classic example of why the "what's on the tin" method should take preference to the Frankenstein we have created with the international category. How is any site user with a UK, EU, Australian or Canadian (same cat#) copy of this in hand going to know it should be listed as international according to our guidelines? The answer is, they won't and indeed shouldn't be expected to know and herein lies the problem. We are creating a category that doesn't already exist according to the data at hand during the CD entry phase. Personally, I feel that after having put in the hard yards to put in an entry only to find it has been changed to international for some vague reason is demoralising for site users. It certainly is when it happens to me. Particularly when the CD is clearly made for a specific market regardless of its identifying #s matching another release elsewhere. The inconsistency around this on the site laughable here are two of my entries where on both occasions I was wrong but used the both of two methods of entry described above. This album I listed as international based on evidence from Discogs but it was changed to an Australian release. On the other hand this album I entered as an Australian release due to place of manufacture and marketing details only to find that it was later changed to international. Either way you can't win and it paralyses users at the first question on the entry page. I know the theory is to bang 'em in and sort them out later but people don't like being wrong all the time no matter what approach they take and this makes for a very frustrating experience on 45 Worlds. Discuss
Lee Wrecker 18th Feb 2017		CD Album Primal Scream - Riot City Blues (2006)	Hi Greg, personally I'd make a European entry if your going on Discwrongs as a basis of your information. They got my copy wrong and have no pics of the said Brazillian copy and in reality would either disc turn up in both markets and if the Brazilian copy says Made In Brazil it should be listed as such in my book. That's just my personal feeling on how we should go about things not site policy which of course is different. Back to the album though Greg. I really liked "Give Out But Don't Give Up" and in many ways this album is an attempt to go back to that formula and knock out a good old fashioned party rock album. So if I want to hear Primal Scream doing this I listen to "Give Out But Don't Give Up" and funnily enough I played it the other day. This one was left safely tucked away in its case for another day or never. I know it's not atrocious but I did have high expectations of this one and was disappointed with it when it came out. It kind of marks the end of the band as a creative force to me.
Lee Wrecker 17th Feb 2017		CD Album Primal Scream - Riot City Blues (2006)	Barcodes are different here Greg. 0828768316528 for Australian copy and 828768316528 for the European issue - a retraction of the international request is in order I think. Yup, the dreaded Australian preceding 0 returns to haunt us again it's caught me out before too. Not to bad? Too bad to give away without feeling guilty, though. It might look good as a medallion or stuck on a funny hat.
Lee Wrecker 15th Feb 2017		CD Album The Guess Who - Canned Wheat (1992)	This one should have its own entry, I think, Jasper. It should list both cat#s too by the look of it. A bit of a weird one.
Lee Wrecker 15th Feb 2017		CD Album Harpers Bizarre - Feelin' Groovy (2001)	Phil, you put forward this notion" As far as the International issue goes, I am starting to think that perhaps that designation should be reserved for pressings that are distributed in more than one country/region, and that different country pressings with the same cat no and barcode details should have their own entries." I entirely agree, this is exactly where I am at when thinking about how to deal with international category. I also like the idea of adding "multiple country flags to an entry" to signify a release as international rather than list what may obviously be a German, EU or USA pressing as International. We must also remember that whenever we do list anything as international it is essentially a construct of this site and NOT immediately identifiable as international from the data on the CD itself. Well not in the same way say Virgin International or RCA International LPs are. This being the case means that we need to decide just what an international release is according to 45 Worlds and because no-one has a definitive answer to that question this issue plagues cataloguers on the site. I'm sure there is a solution and was close to putting something up in the forum a while back but then ran into some other problems. Here's one Mojo and Uncut magazines have both domestic (UK) issues and International issues that have different barcodes (generally not listed on this site) but these magazines are all listed as UK issues (except some I listed as international using the barcode as an identifier). To my mind that would make all the cover mounted CDs from both types of issue international but that is not the case they are all listed as UK releases. There are absolutely no differences in these CDs at all. I'll leave it at that for now but there are other weird and wonderful problems that have emerged due to our creation of this catch all category.
Lee Wrecker 12th Feb 2017		CD Album Harpers Bizarre - Feelin' Groovy (2001)	I am also happy to leave it as USA but it is not necessarily technically right. I'm just making the point that if we in Australia gathered all the evidence on CDs released here from around the world and made them International no-one would be able to find anything and nothing would make sense. I also agree that anything with Made in Australia on it should be listed as Australian. When I've tried to add these types of CDs to, in particular, a European release there is always a hell of a to-do. Because when it gets down to it no-one (well hardly anyone) likes seeing there region's CDs being Internationalised it takes away ownership and recognition of where it it is originally from.
Lee Wrecker 12th Feb 2017		CD Album Harpers Bizarre - Feelin' Groovy (2001)	Bought in Australia I presume Jasper. Phill could probably find Australian release details and then we could make this International but who cares it is better listed as a USA release. However, the rules on country of release need to be changed otherwise the Australian contingent on this site could potentially Internationalise about 60% (maybe more) of all the CDs on this site. Then we'd have most of the CDs on the site listed in a way that no-one would be able find them to add to their collection. This one may well be an import but it also may not either way it would be stupid to list it as International at any time in my book.Just something for the MODS to think about when they cast their mind's to global issues.
Lee Wrecker 11th Feb 2017		CD Album Various Artists - Nuggets (2006)	Let's get the facts straight - typo in the title "Artifiacts" should in fact be "Artyfacts" as per the cover shot.
Lee Wrecker 8th Feb 2017		CD Album The Beatles - The Beatles (1995)	I agree and see my comments on the next of these to arrive here which I think deserves the same treatment.
Lee Wrecker 8th Feb 2017		CD Album The Rolling Stones - Bright Lights, Big City (1994)	A lot of previously bootlegged material here so I'm not sure how legitimate this release is or does the fact that it came attached to a magazine negate the fact that all this material is pirated? Or does this one fall through the cracks of the law like certain Russian releases and the Italian Joker and Blues Encore releases of 1980's. Either way I still think this is a pirate release what would have been the likelihood of the Stones sanctioning the release of these early demos and unreleased sessions in 1994? Zero, I'd say. So that makes this one rather difficult to classify in my book.
Lee Wrecker 5th Feb 2017		CD Album The Hollies - The Hollies At Abbey Road 1963-1966 (1997)	The cat# is correct as Janie entered it and while cptbeefheart may well be right in that the bolded part is what is used for ordering purposes the cat# 8 21134 2 never appears on the CD or packaging. Both the CD and inlay list the cat# as Janie entered it 7243 8 21134 2 3. I can't see the point in changing the cat# to a number that is evident in that form on the CD at all.
Lee Wrecker 4th Feb 2017		CD Album The Who - THe Who Hits 50! (2014)	Listed as Canadian on Discwads (you know who I mean and I self-edited by adding the "s" in the name of good taste). Typo in the title "THe" should be The - may as well fix that while we're at it. Sorry just checked the title and it should in fact be just "Hits 50!".
Lee Wrecker 30th Jan 2017		CD Album Muddy Waters - Muddy "Mississippi" Waters Live (1989)	Released on LP 10 years earlier in 1979 on Blue Sky ‎with cat# JZ 35712. I'm only mentioning that because when I saw it I thought I'm sure that one came out earlier than that. There is a listing on this site but it has no pics so no point providing the link. A pretty good album from my recollection.
Lee Wrecker 26th Jan 2017		CD Album Flamin' Groovies - Flamingo (2013)	I think those state troopers we're "Comin' After Me" not after "you" on track 2. modedit: Well spotted, they were; fixed
Lee Wrecker 18th Jan 2017		CD Album Jet - Get Born (2003)	I think this would be better listed as a UK release. The European release has same cat# but different barcode the only corresponding release I can find is a USA Special Edition with 2 CDs so not really the same thing. What do people think?

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