Classical Music - Comments by Magic Marmalade

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Member	Item		Review/Comment
Magic Marmalade 10th Feb 2024		Classical Item Staatskapelle Berlin, Otmar Suitner - Beethoven: Symphony No.9 In D Minor "Choral" (1982)	Thanks Greg. Have moved your images up, and hidden my old misty ones :) (Yeah, looks like the old beast was on the way out even then... but then, aren't we all!) I've also removed that old link, which had an article about the first 50 CDs, but if you search that term, I think there's a couple of obscure articles knocking about that give a list - that is, if the internet hasn't gotten so monetised as to make these impossible to find now - the internet sucks now! The real secret joy of looking for, and finding these back then, was that at the boot fairs and charity shops, everyone else was looking in the vinyl crates, but totally ignoring the CDs, so I had them pretty much all to myself, to find lots of treasures nobody thought to look for. But now everyone seems to be getting back into CDs too, as well as other formats, so it's not so easy pickings anymore.... ...This is why I've gone back into DVDs and books - still got free reign on those, for a nice cheap hobby, but if that (likely) changes too, I guess I'll start collecting porcelain pigs, thimbles, or some other crud nobody cares for. I might dig this out again and have another listen now :)
Magic Marmalade 25th Feb 2023		Classical Item Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Ferenc Fricsay - Beethoven Tripelkonzert, Brahms Doppelkonzert (1987)	I've been curious about this (and another Violin / Cello album on Deutsche) which features both Wolfgang Schneiderhan and Janos Starker together... ...As Wolfgang Schneiderhan was apparently a member of the Nazi party during the second world war, and Starker was in a concentration camp for a while, I believe, losing family members while there... ...These facts being so... how the hell do these collaborations happen?!! (I mean, that's got to be an awkward introduction, to say the least, let alone agreeing to play together!) I feel there's got to be a story here somewhere, after all, if they could get past that, are there any differences people cannot overcome? ((Or do I have this wrong somehow?))
Magic Marmalade 31st Oct 2021		Classical Item Consortium Musicum, Wolfgang Gönnenwein - Bach: Matthäus-Passion	These are the later eighties "retro" labels design, evoking the original "red-semi" nipper logo, but with the design occupying more of the label space to the edge.
Magic Marmalade 23rd Sep 2021		Classical Item The D'Oyly Carte Opera Company With The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Iolanthe (1974)	To illustrate my point, click on the main artist at the top of this page, and see where it leads... then come back here, and click on Royal Philharmonic Orchestra name in performers box... see the difference?
Magic Marmalade 23rd Sep 2021		Classical Item The D'Oyly Carte Opera Company With The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Iolanthe (1974)	The main benefit of the performers box in Classical world, and one of the key reasons why this world needs this method, where others don't, is due to the multitude of artists that could (and usually do) go into making up the main "Artist"... (Often given in different formulations on the very same disc / sleeve!) ...Multitudes of different collaborations make it impossible to fit all of those headline or main artists into pseudonyms for each individual artist. Yehudi Menuhin, for example, has worked with everyone under the sun, and his main page could not accommodate all this (I've tried it! :) but by adding each name INDIVIDUALLY into the performers box means we don't have to, as their participation, or involvement in any given work will associate the name in that box with their discography... ...So, however the main Artist is given (At the top of the page - for the item itself), and with whatever collaborations or formulations there are there, the individual name is the prime associating factor. Important shift of Paradigm <I love using that word :) - Main item artist is effectively secondary, and unimportant, next to the INDIVIDUAL names entered in the performers box. My own opionion is, that this is so, to the extent, that the main artist for an item at the head of the page, could either be done away with altogether (not practical for item search purposes, perhaps, but irrelevant to the artist discography search)... or more realistically, made to be not a link (not blue clickable text), as it is likely to be a unique formulation, and not lead to any of the artists involved... main item artist in classical world is effectively, functionally, and practically useless, but just a design carry over from 45cat, and other 45worlds for more popular music, where it is useful (essential), relevant, and functonal. There's plenty of thinking to do yet for classical, as just illustrated, but don't worry too much about getting artist collaborations tied up here yet... just get the names INDIVIDUALLY in the performers box, then we'll have something toworl with, and give shape to :) Bang' em in, then we'll shape 'em up (When admin get around to making the necessary changes ;)
Magic Marmalade 22nd Sep 2021		Classical Item Erich Gruenberg, The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Royston Nash - Gilbert, Sullivan & D'Oyly Carte 1875-1975 Centenary Recording: Trial By Jury (1975)	This all looks like a US issue, so I've changed it to that unless someone can different. Although in a box, if it's just one disc, it goes as vinyl album.
Magic Marmalade 20th Sep 2021		Classical Item Peter Schreier - Die Kunst Des Peter Schreier	dr.pepper, I have removed your performers from the the performers box, as they were a single string of many names reading as one artist. Could you enter the names individually, one name at a time please.
Magic Marmalade 20th Sep 2021		Classical Item Peter Schreier - Im Schönsten Wiesengrunde (1974)	Could we have just one name entered into the performers boxes at a time please. eg: Composer: Beethoven > SUBMIT Composer: Vivaldi > SUBMIT NOT: Composer: Beethoven / Vivaldi SUBMIT. (I'm just removing these doubles / artist strings from the the box)
Magic Marmalade 20th Sep 2021		Classical Item Festival Strings Lucerne, Rudolf Baumgartner - Masterpieces Of The European Baroque (1976)	(Groovy! :)
Magic Marmalade 19th Sep 2021		Classical Item Festival Strings Lucerne, Rudolf Baumgartner - Masterpieces Of The European Baroque (1976)	This all looks good whitewhale :) ...The biggest problem we have in Classical world is people entering more than one individual artist name in a box when adding missing info - we want a single name in each box, so it associates with that artist's discography from that link - two names tied together as one = different artist - we don't want that. But this is good. If you want to add the rest of the artists / composers etc. then just use the "Add missing Info" link as per usual, and pop A name in an appropriate box, and submit, then repeat until done. Tape world, and classical are petty much "under construction" and we're having to figure the best ways of doing things as we go, so you will see discrepancies of method between worlds. (Eventually, all worlds should begin to square up - function wise etc. - but Classical items present their own unique problems when gathered together... so different methods are required)
Magic Marmalade 31st Aug 2021		Classical Item Boston Symphony Orchestra, Charles Munch - Mendelssohn: Symphonies No.3 And 4 (1990)	Corrected track 2 (Could you enter these as a correction request in fututre Mr. B? - Ta :)
Magic Marmalade 31st Aug 2021		Classical Item Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - Mendelssohn And Schubert (2018)	Please add additional performers for the performers box *one name at a time*, not a string of names that read as one artist. Thanks.
Magic Marmalade 13th Dec 2020		Classical Item James Levine - Schubert, Mendelssohn And Smetana (1988)	When entering names in the "performers" box, could people please enter just one name at a time, not a string of names together that the system will read as one artist, as this won't show up in individual discographies. Thanks and socially distanced hugs :)
Magic Marmalade 25th Oct 2020		Classical Item Wilhelm Furtwängler And The Bayreuth Festival Orchestra And Chorus - Beethoven: Symphony No.9, "Choral" (1985)	I wonder if my impression maybe coloured by the prevalence of the barcode... Did some countries adopt it's use before others? ... Because it would be very odd for Japan to be behind other countries technologically in any respect, so my otherwise natural indicator of date: pre barcode / post barcode would break down if Japan used it later. ...although, there is the complicating factor of the Obi strip... that's usually where the barcode on Japanese products is to be found, and mostly explains why it doesn't appear on the item itself. Conclusion: Very likely this originally had an Obi strip (?)
Magic Marmalade 24th Oct 2020		Classical Item Wilhelm Furtwängler And The Bayreuth Festival Orchestra And Chorus - Beethoven: Symphony No.9, "Choral" (1985)	Again, no date, but given the absence of barcode, and that details indicate it was made in Japan for many International markets with the early Japanese CD matrix style, I'm thinking this is a very early CD... 1983 / 4-ish ?
Magic Marmalade 23rd Oct 2020		Classical Item Arthur Grumiaux - Beethoven: Violin Concerto (1987)	Thanks Phil :)
Magic Marmalade 21st Oct 2020		Classical Item Arthur Grumiaux - Beethoven: Violin Concerto (1987)	Can't find a release / published date on this, only original recording date of 1970.
Magic Marmalade 18th Oct 2020		Classical Item David Oistrakh - Beethoven Violin Concerto	No date on this. There is, I believe, a stereo version (perhaps a later re-recording for stereo) which will set you back about the same price as a small car, but this sounds, as ever with Columbia, the nuts, and is more than adequate listening... big, broad mono, powerful, detailed.... and cheap!
Magic Marmalade 18th Oct 2020		Classical Item Byron Janis - Tchaikovsky / Rachmaninoff (1964)	I have the first issue "Hi-Fi Stereo" labels, which I found in a manually amended (Biro) mono catalogue numbered sleeve... ...I have come across this a couple of times with these early Philips stereos now, so would appear to be a feature of early stereo Philips isssues: Stereo disc in a mono sleeve. So, tip for the day: If you are looking for these early Plum label stereo issues, don't go looking for stereo sleeves, you might be going straight past them when you simply dismiss an apparently early mono issue! Always check what's inside! (Could be these plum stereos are not as rare as you might imagine.... the've just been hiding in mono sleeves... in plain sight!) Although... the incidents when I've come across this, the tell tale biro or felt applied "S" append-ment to catalogue number on the back of the sleeve is a good indicator of plummy goodness within :) Keep 'em peeled peeps!
Magic Marmalade 2nd Sep 2020		Classical Item Leonard Bernstein - Gershwin: Rhapsody In Blue / An American In Paris (1990)	I'll take another look at the whole Columbia / EMI / CBS affair, as, sure as eggs is eggs, this only goes to show that there is always an exception to any general rule... In this case, the demise of the EMI Columbia name meant that Sony / CBS were able to start issuing records under the Columbia name from 1991 onwards, in territories / countries where previously EMI had the right to use that name - before which almost every country seems to have one or the other: Columbia (CBS / Sony) or Columbia (EMI)... ...Except, it seems, Canada! :) Evidence seems to suggest they used both at different times, so I'll have to see if there are any fixed times these changes occured, then review all variations of the Columbia / CBS / Sony / EMI relationships for Canada on all worlds .... *Groan!* :(
Magic Marmalade 1st Sep 2020		Classical Item Leonard Bernstein - Gershwin: Rhapsody In Blue / An American In Paris (1990)	Hmmm... I lieu of a fixed country for release, I would favour International over USA, which is the one country I think we have a firm basis for saying it's not, at least! (Should be on Columbia for US release). I won't change anything for the time being, and just wait until perhaps someone can illuminate us further :)
Magic Marmalade 31st Aug 2020		Classical Item Leonard Bernstein - Gershwin: Rhapsody In Blue / An American In Paris (1990)	All of these CBS label issues listed as USA are actually Canadian aren't they?
Magic Marmalade 29th Aug 2020		Classical Item André Previn - French Piano Music (1962)	But now I see Canada had both versions of the label in operation at various times... began as Columbia Masterworks, then switched at some point to CBS Masterworks. (I note that the Columbia Masterworks for Canada are all early vinyl, but the CBS Masterworks Canada includes mainly CDs... so should help to throw a loop around a date for the change)
Magic Marmalade 29th Aug 2020		Classical Item Various Artists - Brahms: Double Concerto, Piano Quartet (1988)	Was going to tie the CBS Masterworks label via link to Columbia Masterworks, but I see that a few have been added on the CBS Masterworks label for USA... Surely should all be Canadian, even if manufactured in US, as Columbia Masterworks would be the label of release there?
Magic Marmalade 8th Jul 2020		Classical Item Peter Böhm, Karl Stölzel, Johann Schmitt, Hamburg Symphony Orchestra - Bach: Toccata And Fugue / Air On A G String (1988)	Have contracted the title to reflect that on the cover / spines (and for the sake of brevity), and added in a couple of sectionbreaks top and tail, in order to separate the last track from those in the group preceding it, and to give a proper header for the first. Hope this is OK?
Magic Marmalade 23rd Jun 2020		Classical Item The Roth String Quartet - Mozart: Six Quartets Dedicated To Haydn (1956)	Added a couple of better cover images.
Magic Marmalade 3rd Jun 2020		Classical Item Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, Zubin Mehta - Symphony No. 1 In D (1888)	So the other IMP label in Classical is mixed as it is?
Magic Marmalade 2nd Jun 2020		Classical Item The Roth String Quartet - Mozart: Six Quartets Dedicated To Haydn (1956)	Ah, an Aussie one! It looked the same as those I'd seen on popsike and Gripsweat, which looked US... (Don't get yer breeches in too much of a jangle though, they are not massively valuable!) So it could be that 2003 and 2004 are the two I'd be looking for to complete a set... At least it opens the possibility that they may exist. Thanks Phil, I shall now be keeping an eye open for those! :)
Magic Marmalade 1st Jun 2020		Classical Item The Roth String Quartet - Mozart: Six Quartets Dedicated To Haydn (1956)	(Again, Sorry for the photos... just for an indication of cover cat number etc.)
Magic Marmalade 1st Jun 2020		Classical Item The Roth String Quartet - Mozart: Six Quartets Dedicated To Haydn (1956)	This is one of those interesting items that's got me a bit stumped. I can't find any reference to this issue / pressing anywhere on the internet, in spite of the fact that it's by the renowned Roth String Quartet... featuring a young Janos Starker! The closest I can find is the original US Mercury issue, the accompanying two other issues... (to round out the 6 quartets of the title) ... and the box set of all three. But no Pye UK pressings (and distribution) The cover is the same as the US one(s), except in a slightly different colour scheme (Mine has a large mint green violin shape bordered by black with red stripes, and red with green stripes. And as there are only two quartets per album, this must mean there are two other Pye pressed UK Mercury albums out there somewhere comprised of the other four Mozart: Haydn quartets... but again...not a sniff. It does sound great though! :)

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