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  16th Feb 2016, 10:12 AM#1  REPORT  
mrblond

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I see there is an option for various authors (in case of co-writers) but what about when the book contains two or even more novels. Which means that the book has more than one title. This is quite often.

First case is when the writer is one and the same.
Second, when there are novels by different authors in one edition, this is very complicated.
Currently, we cannot add books like these.

The existing Subtitle option is something different and cannot help in any of these cases.

We need option for more than one title. They to be equal. Each one with drop-down menu which link the different editions of the novels. Each one with its own author. All this in one and the same edition.

Edited by mrblond on 16th Feb 2016, 10:21 AM

  16th Feb 2016, 2:02 PM#2  REPORT  
ppint.

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indeed: "omnibus" - which, n.b, has no plural (save when inspired by and "after" the humorous pome by a. d. godley°).

° - hope i've remembered his name correctly - he declines the motor bus wonderfully well. . . :-)


Edited by ppint. on 16th Feb 2016, 2:09 PM

  2nd Mar 2016, 6:46 PM#3  REPORT  
mrblond

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So... I still wait for a decision about the omnibus type books?


  3rd Mar 2016, 6:30 AM#4  REPORT  
nboldock

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mrblond wrote:
So... I still wait for a decision about the omnibus type books?
It's a good question - will flag this up with OC.

Leave it with us for now - thanks

Nick.



  26th Apr 2017, 8:45 AM#5  REPORT  
Pridesale

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ppint may be a better scholar than I, but for the road transport for all I understand Omnibuses or possible Omnibi would be acceptable to refer to more than one. For co-joined editions of books however it would be Omnibus Editions - the plural being in what is refered to, though Omnibi might be acceptable (discuss), for the likes of the Sunday BBC Radio4 Archers Omnibus broadcast where serial broadcasts are seemlessy made into a whole I am not certain.

Meanwhile was the problem for the likes of Reader's Digest condensed book bound editions solved? The easiest in theory would have been to arrange the database presentation like Album World - with Author, Track.


  26th Apr 2017, 9:17 AM#6  REPORT  
Orbiting Cat

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We currently use the term "Anthology" for this, and there is an option to select that when adding a book.

There is some debate over the terminology, maybe "Omnibus" would be better:

From LibraryThing:
Quote:
OMNIBUS (noun) : a volume of reprinted works of a single author or of works related in interest or theme.
e.g. a book of supernatural stories by Roald Dahl. A complete content of each book is used. An omnibus contained several complete books by one author.

ANTHOLOGY (noun) : a book or other collection of selected writings by various writers usually in the same literary form, of the same period, or on the same subject. e.g. a book of poetry by various poets selected from several books by many poets.

COLLECTION (noun) : a book of selected writings from various books by an author of the same theme or various themes. e.g. a book of selected short stories from various books by the same
author.

Note that on 45worlds, anthology type books are not linked in any special way, ie the books that make up the anthology are not treated as individual books in the database.


  2nd Nov 2017, 2:42 PM#7  REPORT  
ppint.

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definitely

"omnibus":

indicates the single publication° of two or more works previously°° published as separately-bound books, which may or may not all be by the same author, and may include one (or more) collections (of shorter works by a single author or collaboration), or one (or more) anthologies (of shorter works by more than one single author or collaboration).

- there's one consistent exception that springs to mind: ace books' "ace doubles":

ace books, inc., later the ace books division of charter communications inc, later a division of grosset & dunlap, inc. (eventually fading into ace sf, an imprint of the berkley-putnam publishing group) devised and had considerable success for twenty years with an omnibus format called the ace double, in which a short novel (sometimes abridged) and a novella, or a short novel and a collection of novelettes, novella and/or short stories, or a novella and a collection of short stories, novelettes and/or a novella, were published tete-beche (or dos à dos) to one another in one paperback which thus had two - different- front covers, upside-down to one another, and no back cover. the two books thus conjoined were usually by two different authors, and one or both of the short novels or novellas might be original publications, the first book (or the first paperback) reprints of previously-published works, or sometimes a fresh pairing of works previously published by ace books in the "ace double" format. (e.g. see ace books D-94, "one against eternity" by a. e. van vogt, published new york 1955 tete beche with "the other side of here" by murray leinster,.)

- the great majority of these doubles were science fiction (including fantasy, which was not a distinct merkin publishing category until after the success of random house, inc./ballantine books' abysmal "the sword of shannara"), but some were westerns.

- though clearly omnibus publications, these are ~universally referred to as "ace doubles".

(the few belmont "doubles" and the later, rather more successful, series of dell "binary stars" did not adopt the "tete-beche" (or "dos-à-dos") formatting peculiar to the ace doubles.)


° - upon occasion, usually for reasons of physical practicality, a single work by a single author or collaboration, or a single collection, or a single anthology, may have been published in two or more bound volumes: where the publication of these has been simultaneous, the bound volumes are usually considered to be one book; where some - occasionally considerable - delay occurs between the publication of the bound volumes, they are generally considered to be separate books, though intimately linked (e.g. lewis carroll's "sylvie and bruno" (1889) and "sylvie and bruno, concluded" (1893)).

°° - on rare occasions, the omnibus may have preceded the separate publications of its component, later separately-bound books; but this is quite exceptional


Edited by ppint. on 7th Nov 2017, 11:22 PM

  2nd Nov 2017, 3:30 PM#8  REPORT  
ppint.

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"collection"

a bound book of works by a single author, or a single collaboration (or, occasionally, by a number of collaborations all including one particular author (e.g. "partners in wonder" by harlan ellison and others); but some may regard this as an anthology, q.v.).)

"anthology"

a bound book of works by a number of different authors, or collaborations of authors:

i "reprint anthology"

an anthology collecting works previously published elsewhere, or mostly or largely published elsewhere, including in newspapers, journals, magazines, chapbooks, original anthologies.

ii "original anthology"

an anthology collecting works previously unpublished elsewhere, or almost entirely unpublished elsewhere, often solicited or commissioned directly from their authors by the editor or editors of the original anthology, who are typically (but not always) commissioned by the original publishers of the first edition of the original anthology to supply the contents, introductions, comment, illustrations (if any) ready for typesetting.

- usage includes reprints, reissues and new editions of the first edition of the original anthology as a whole, in different editions, bindings, translations; but does not include anthologies of selective reprints, even if all be selected from one particular original anthology series: such are regarded as reprint anthologies (e.g. "the best of new writings in sf" edited by e. j. carnell, the reprint anthology selected by him from the first four volumes of the original anthology series he edited for dennis dobson & for corgi books/transworld publishers ltd, "new writings in sf)




  2nd Nov 2017, 5:07 PM#9  REPORT  
janiejjones

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+1


  13th Nov 2017, 11:29 PM#10  REPORT  
Whyperion SUBS

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Anthologies tend not to have full works in them, more short stories or articles.
Books with other books I suppose the full three works Lord of The Rings comes to mind (has it been published in one volume ?) I have the three works in an outer slip case and I think I have the three parts of H-HGTTG in one single volume in the to be read pile.


  1st Nov 2021, 9:57 PM#11  REPORT  
mrblond

Member since Sep 2014
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I post this thread in Feb 2016 and the problem still is not solved?

I can say that this is a major issue!



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