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| 1st Dec 2016, 6:44 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | mrblond Member since Sep 2014 10249 Points | Because of too many misunderstandings in connection with the Label names etc. I suggest a small but important addition in the template. Is it possible a new line to be included? ... Format: Cassette Album Label: RCA Issued by: BMG Country: Germany ... I think, this will be a very positive addition. You know, currently all former state-owned record companies from Eastern Europe are wrongly stated as labels for the foreign artists. In these cases they are companies that issue the product (manufacturing and distribution) not labels. |
| 1st Dec 2016, 9:42 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Orbiting Cat ● Member since Jan 2008 1167 Points Administrator | Thanks for the info on this. It's not going to be possible to add an extra field for "Issued By". Any extra information would need go in notes, or as a comment. Can you link to an example of an incorrect entry? |
| 1st Dec 2016, 10:56 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| mrblond Member since Sep 2014 10249 Points | Some examples: http://www.45worlds.com/tape/media/5721202 Label: A&M Issued by: PGP RTB ________________________________________________________ http://www.45worlds.com/tape/media/5722187 Label: Polydor Issued by: PGP RTB ________________________________________________________ http://www.45worlds.com/tape/media/caapp9099 Label: Apple Issued by: Jugoton |
| 1st Dec 2016, 11:52 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | PhilMH Member since Jan 2012 1050 Points | In those cases, I see PGB RTB and Jugoton as being the labels as well as companies, as those are the only logos present on the actual tapes, regardless of the originating labels' logos on the packages. How did the Eastern Bloc companies issue vinyl releases - did the records have the issuing companies logos, or the original logos? A complication with having an "issued by" field, and not just for this type of situation, is that sometimes labels change distributors, but retain their previous catalogue number system with the new distributor. One example being Motown in the UK, with its STML and STMA LP numberings as devised by EMI, and retained when they moved to RCA in October 1981. At present, both versions can go under one entry, but an "issued by" field would mean separating them. It might be better to use the existing tag option, along with notes, to add any extra information, e.g. enter PGP RTB as label, but enter tag "A & M". |
| 2nd Dec 2016, 8:23 AM | #5 REPORT | |
| mrblond Member since Sep 2014 10249 Points |
PhilMH wrote:
In those cases, I see PGB RTB and Jugoton as being the labels as well as companies, as those are the only logos present on the actual tapes, regardless of the originating labels' logos on the packages. How did the Eastern Bloc companies issue vinyl releases - did the records have the issuing companies logos, or the original logos?
To be a Label, the company have to sign directly with the Artists and their managers. It is very low probability the state companies from the Eastern Bloc to have had it. In these cases they are publishers that have signed with the Labels and have issued certain albums under license. As for the original logos, I think it's been not quite observed. They could put it or not, nobody is above them (you know what I mean). Bear in mind that sometimes there is no original logo even on the packages. Only a small sized text indicates that this is issued under license. Cover outside: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/K7sAAOSw9IpXza17/s-l1600.jpg Cover inside: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vZIAAOSwi0RXza2D/s-l1600.jpg Cassette: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mT0AAOSwGtRX0EuS/s-l1600.jpg Edited by mrblond on 2nd Dec 2016, 8:29 AM |
| 2nd Dec 2016, 2:37 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | I think it's much more confused the way you are suggesting. A label is an issuer, regardless of where the recordings originate. For example Capitol were the Beatles' label in the US. If you go down the label/issued by route, you will end up having compilations like "Now!" having to have 20-odd labels listed for one cassette. |
| 2nd Dec 2016, 3:16 PM | #7 REPORT | |
 | Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | Whilst the suggestion is interesting and applicable particularly to eastern bloc releases, I think it opens up a can of worms that the vast majority of contributors will not get. Its hard enough for some to figure out label name or catalogue number let only who the distributor is. As I say, segregating out things like distribution deals for labels (dist by EMI versus dist by RCA) is of interest, I think that simply placing something in the notes that says 'image 'xxxxxx' issued by/ dist by RCA' is sufficient when it is of particular note. In the case of Jugoton pressing up all number of labels -- not so interesting. Only would be if a label had a variant that was pressed by RTB as opposed to Jugoton Amy |
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