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| 25th Jan 2017, 12:56 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | HelBic As You Wish, Puny God Member since Nov 2015 752 Points | I've seen a thread on the general forum regarding the lack of images and I have to agree. Someone there has made the (imho) quite correct observation that not everyone has the equipment that allows them to upload an image. With that in mind can I suggest that when searching for and finding a particular a CD, if you have it, why not upload whatever (additional) images you have to further enhance everyone else's experience on this site. Again, as someone else noted, there are other sites which just provide lists, some of which are much more accurate than 45worlds so let's try make this the best experience of al of us. HelBic |
| 25th Jan 2017, 1:21 PM | #2 REPORT | |
| kab2112 SUBS Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous Member since Jan 2011 15478 Points Moderator | You took the words right out of my mouth |
| 25th Jan 2017, 6:09 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | While I do recognise that some people do not have the ability to scan images, I find comments about records without supporting images to be infuriating. The ones that say "my copy says" are somewhat acceptable, but any comment or request for correction that states "according to my database" are totally without merit because as we can see at places like 78discography info is often incomplete, missing, or just plain wrong as it itself, or is itself based on other list. Amy Edited by Jock_Girl on 28th Jan 2017, 7:14 PM |
| 25th Jan 2017, 6:56 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| kab2112 SUBS Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous Member since Jan 2011 15478 Points Moderator | Amy I agree with you, and perhaps the most annoying thing is that some members add scans for some entries and not others, then go on to make and exchange comments about labels, cover art, etc. that only they can see. It could be the case that they are getting the information from sources other than a physical disc in some cases. These are meant to be "community" sites and information on entries such as what is written on a label for example should be accessible to all via image scans. |
| 25th Jan 2017, 7:01 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5166 Points Moderator | I'm a much bigger (better?) contributor to 45cat.com because I don't have a 30cm x 30cm scanner and I can't be bothered to "stitch" images together, so, in order to get an LP image up, I have to get out my digital camera and arrange the sleeve in good daylight but without any glare from the sun or external light source and then try and square it up so that the image has no keystoning (problems with perspective), remove the flash mode from the camera and snap away. Then I have to transfer all images to the computer with the SD card and further crop and edit each image of labels, sleeves (back and front) and so forth. This is not a neglible amount of work for something that is entirely voluntary and done for love. If there is a lack of images, we all need to be aware that there is a reason. I think we'll get there in the end, but we are talking about hundreds of thousands of man hours to get this website improved and it will be ongoing... or should I say endless?  |
| 25th Jan 2017, 7:09 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| Hawkmarty SUBS Do You Like It Here Now Member since Dec 2012 3063 Points Moderator |
fokeman wrote:
I'm a much bigger (better?) contributor to 45cat.com because I don't have a 30cm x 30cm scanner and I can't be bothered to "stitch" images together, so, in order to get an LP image up, I have to get out my digital camera and arrange the sleeve in good daylight but without any glare from the sun or external light source and then try and square it up so that the image has no keystoning (problems with perspective), remove the flash mode from the camera and snap away. Then I have to transfer all images to the computer with the SD card and further crop and edit each image of labels, sleeves (back and front) and so forth. This is not a neglible amount of work for something that is entirely voluntary and done for love. If there is a lack of images, we all need to be aware that there is a reason. I think we'll get there in the end, but we are talking about hundreds of thousands of man hours to get this website improved and it will be ongoing... or should I say endless?
You have just described a lot of my Sundays   And as for lens distortion...  |
| 25th Jan 2017, 7:14 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| kab2112 SUBS Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous Member since Jan 2011 15478 Points Moderator | The original post was for CD albums, not LPs |
| 26th Jan 2017, 5:18 AM | #8 REPORT | |
 | leonard ● BLANK Member since Jun 2011 45883 Points Moderator | I prefer scans over photographs any time. If you can't stitch why not add as two images. THere will be someone who does the needlework... |
| 26th Jan 2017, 7:27 AM | #9 REPORT | |
 | Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points | Well, as a scanner and also someone that never adds entries without images I'm quite shocked to find out how difficult photos are to prepare fokeman. I use a standard size scanner, nothing flash just the one on my printer and use 4 scans per album shot and put them together in ICE (free download from the adding images) and after a few goes it is relatively easy to do and it takes me about 20mins from start to finish to do an album. I know this will seem quick to some of you but I have done hundreds but the point is in the end scans usually look better and from what has been described above is a simpler process. I always thought photos were the easy way out and were quick to prepare and upload. The fact that they're not that simple to process only reinforces my view that scanning is better all round. |
| 26th Jan 2017, 8:54 AM | #10 REPORT | |
| kab2112 SUBS Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous Member since Jan 2011 15478 Points Moderator | I started out on here when there was only cat45 and the main plus point was that you could see the variations of the discs, along with the comments and relevant information provided by members. If it had been merely lists - which is what they would be without images, I may well have given it a miss. There are dozens of sites where you can see lists. Ours is different and as I said some members seem to have cut back on posting images, leaving that task to others. The main point that annoys me is where say:- two members discuss and have different interpretations of what is shown on labels or artwork for an item that no-one has bothered to post an image. This excluded the rest of us as we can't see what they are on about. They should use private messaging or better still POST AN IMAGE. |
| 26th Jan 2017, 9:03 AM | #11 REPORT | |
| HelBic As You Wish, Puny God Member since Nov 2015 752 Points | As Kab2112 pointed out, I deliberately added the thread to the CD albums forum as I do know that not everyone has a scanner and for those that do, then vinyl are still difficult. I would argue that very very few don't have mobile phones and unless it is from the dark ages then they al have cameras. I've taken shots using the camera on my phone and not had any complaints about the quality of the images. Please don't read this as an invite to go through my catalogue to criticize my pics! And definitely not an invitation to criticize my taste in music either! heh heh |
| 26th Jan 2017, 12:27 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points | You know it's not really about quality as long as the pic is legible and yes covers are more difficult but surely most people could manage to do the labels somehow and they are really what we need to cross reference and check the entries. |
| 26th Jan 2017, 4:33 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| RogerFoster ● To ignore is human, to follow is divine. Member since Jul 2014 3084 Points |
HelBic wrote:
As Kab2112 pointed out, I deliberately added the thread to the CD albums forum as I do know that not everyone has a scanner and for those that do, then vinyl are still difficult. I would argue that very very few don't have mobile phones and unless it is from the dark ages then they al have cameras. I've taken shots using the camera on my phone and not had any complaints about the quality of the images.
Please don't read this as an invite to go through my catalogue to criticize my pics! And definitely not an invitation to criticize my taste in music either! heh heh Virtually all the images I've posted over the past two years or so have been taken using the camera in my Mobile Phone. I've not found it any more time consuming than using my scanner (which decided to cease communicating when I got a new Laptop some time back) but I do have a connecting lead that joins Phone and Laptop together which makes it simple for me to transfer photos for editing and posting. Every now and then I find I have an image which is (in my view) of insufficient quality but in that instance I just retake the photo. There is a difficulty in getting the balance between sufficient daylight and minimum glare correct, but I've built that into my daily routine and I take batches of photos every two or three days if the light looks right. There are some images here (some of them done by me no doubt) that could be better, but I always think that an image of indifferent quality is better than nothing at all. Now one thing that I really can't understand is when people add an image without updating songwriter/producer credits .. but that is a separate issue!! |
| 26th Jan 2017, 7:36 PM | #14 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3774 Points Moderator | I've come to a juncture of having entered most everything I have to enter... so might be time to perform a "crazy Ivan" now, and take the opportunity to go back over a few things and see if I have more images to add... (Which I undoubtedly do - sorry everyone  )... If there are some of mine that have images outstanding which anybody would like me to prioritise, give me a non-Facebook style poke, or prod in the digital ribs, and I'll bump them up the schedule. ((Got a few CDs entered recently I forgot to scan - squirrel! - and I recall I have some Supraphons and a Martha Argerich DG for Classical world)). -- If you still have the scanner Roger, it may yet work if your new laptop is a windows gizmo... you must go into "run">"services.msc"> then scroll down and turn off and disable Windows Image Acquisition (W.I.A) -- >I also seem to remember from somewhere the concept of the "Shoebox scanner" technique for smartphones and handheld cameras... whereby you get a shoebox (sans shoes:) with a white or light coloured inside, poke a suitable hole in the bottom to accomodate the lens and flash, then put the shoebox over the item (CD...record label etc.), and take the picture... the shoebox holds the camera/smartphone in the correct position over the item, and the white inside contains the flash in a similar way to the white backing of a scanner lid, and disperses the light evenly.... you may have to experiment with focal lengths... distances from the item< Edited by Magic Marmalade on 26th Jan 2017, 7:54 PM |
| 28th Jan 2017, 9:33 AM | #15 REPORT | |
| kab2112 SUBS Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous Member since Jan 2011 15478 Points Moderator | Just checked the "latest added" section which shows the 25 entries per page. Only one had an accompanying image. As this seems to be the way we are going, I don't think I'll bother scanning any more or I may find myself out of step. |
| 28th Jan 2017, 12:43 PM | #16 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3774 Points Moderator | That also might be that people are making entries as I tend to... get the details in for a stack of vinyl /CDs in one go, then do the scanning and uploading of images later as a separate activity. But I like to remember that this is an open source, crowd sourced database, and nobody is getting paid for their generous sharing of info and images... so anything people want or can do is appreciated by me (Here I get to see things that I might otherwise have been able to set eyes on unless form the back of an auction room with the aid of binoculars) > As a little side note... I wonder if placing something in front of a camera flash might help make a clearer image when taking a photo of a cover or label... not to obscure the light from the flash, but simply to stop that light striking the object directly... so as the light goes out sideways instead, and doesn't show as an info obscuring bulb of light on the final image of the object? < |
| 28th Jan 2017, 4:40 PM | #17 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4151 Points Moderator | Most members add their images within 24 hours of adding the item: if you check Page 3 or higher in 'CD Albums > latest added' you will find the majority have images Must admit, it sometimes takes me longer |
| 28th Jan 2017, 4:44 PM | #18 REPORT | |
 | Redpunk SUBS ● Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25530 Points Moderator | Same here as often I have time to enter a 78 before work but have to wait for my day off to scan and crop the label. |
| 29th Jan 2017, 7:57 PM | #19 REPORT | |
 | xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3367 Points Moderator | I usually enter my records within days of acquiring them, but then it takes a bit longer to scan and edit the labels. But within a month, they are usually there. |
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