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  10th Jan 2023, 12:13 PM#1  REPORT  
mrblond

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The book King Lear by William Shakespeare with Three editions with wrong First Published line.
Should be corrected. It is 1608 not 1967:

Wikipedia Date Info

https://www.45worlds.com/book/bk_record_editions.php?bkrr=2421774


  10th Jan 2023, 2:37 PM#2  REPORT  
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Not sure about this. I was of the opinion the the "First Published" section would be for previous editions of this book. I'm not sure it's for any other editions.


  11th Jan 2023, 11:54 AM#3  REPORT  
janiejjones

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In my understanding we use "First" on here as exactly that, first time ANY version of a particular book has been offered to the public. In this case, most likely 1608 would be correct.


  12th Jan 2023, 8:18 AM#4  REPORT  
carryonsidney

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I think we can make the distinction for Shakespeare as its clearly obvious that the first published refers to the edition in this case (because its so long ago). By the way the earliest we have is Sonnets - 1609.


  20th Jan 2023, 9:05 PM#5  REPORT  
23skidoo

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I know there has been some debate about that. In other discussions my understanding is if it's a straight printing (or maybe it has a foreword or something) then yeah go with the earliest known public publication date, and then what I do is indicate in the Notes that the book is, for example, "The 5th printing of the 1967 Pan edition." But where it gets messy is if the book is published in some form of expanded edition - think Norton Critical Editions - with substantial amounts of new material. It's also messy if a book has undergone title changes too.


  6th Feb 2023, 5:38 PM#6  REPORT  
xiphophilos

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I agree with kab2112. To me, it also makes the most sense to take the first date a certain edition was published. Otherwise, what would you do with an artist like Homer? Would every edition of the Iliad, regardless which one, be listed as ca. 725 BCE? Who would be helped by this? It's much more interesting to see when a book was reissued in new editions as a measure of its continued relevance over the centuries.


  8th Feb 2023, 4:09 PM#7  REPORT  
OldMod67

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Post ISBN there shouldn't be a problem, but it's not straightforward. The criteria does state 'any edition'. For example, a title first published in hardcover in 1975, then paperback in '76:
So on the paperback entry: 1975 for the 'any edition', 1976 paperback.
The problem for me is subsequent copies. If it's a reprint of the base edition, with new cover etc, then I would still enter 1976 but put reprint dates clearly in the notes.
Usually, new EDITION then new book number. Then that book will have details of that particular edition, so same original date (hardback '75) but publication date of that edition on the one you are entering.
When you think of other mediums, albums usually stick to the original artwork in the main, but if they change catalogue number, new edition, new entry.
That's my bit anyway.


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