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26th Sep 2023, 5:57 PM		#1 REPORT
	danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points	Hi all. I've been trying to put together a discography of the Columbia FB label from 1940 onwards. It's nearly complete, but there are 4 on which I have found no information. Does anyone happen to know the artists and titles on the following? FB 2461 FB 2654 FB 2733 FB 2818 I've tried looking through the relevant issues of the Gramophone and searching the British Newspaper Archive, but to no avail, so hoping someone here can help!

27th Sep 2023, 1:25 AM		#2 REPORT
	mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points	Have you tried Columbia FB Variety and Dance Band Records, issue by the CLPGS? Available here. I don't have it, so can't help.

27th Sep 2023, 8:58 AM		#3 REPORT
	danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points	mister_tmg wrote: Have you tried Columbia FB Variety and Dance Band Records, issue by the CLPGS? Available here. I don't have it, so can't help. I am aware of it, but it seems too much of an outlay for the sake of just 4 entries. I'm also wary of using information from other discographies, as you can never be entirely sure how accurate they are.

27th Sep 2023, 4:14 PM		#4 REPORT
	mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points	I think the CLPGS would have used EMI Archives as a source. I plan to get it (along with their other books) at some point. Their publications usually have recording dates, matrix numbers and deletion dates, so a plethora of information. I have the Columbia DB book.

27th Sep 2023, 4:50 PM		#5 REPORT
	danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points	mister_tmg wrote: I think the CLPGS would have used EMI Archives as a source. I plan to get it (along with their other books) at some point. Their publications usually have recording dates, matrix numbers and deletion dates, so a plethora of information. I have the Columbia DB book. Good to know - makes it a lot more tempting. It would be useful (and I'm sure beneficial to their sales) if the CLPGS website gave a bit more information on what's included in their discographies!

27th Sep 2023, 5:44 PM		#6 REPORT
	mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points	danceband91 wrote: mister_tmg wrote: I think the CLPGS would have used EMI Archives as a source. I plan to get it (along with their other books) at some point. Their publications usually have recording dates, matrix numbers and deletion dates, so a plethora of information. I have the Columbia DB book. Good to know - makes it a lot more tempting. It would be useful (and I'm sure beneficial to their sales) if the CLPGS website gave a bit more information on what's included in their discographies! Agreed! It would be great if they were digitised for searching. I can assure you, the books are a lot more than just simply releases with issue dates. They’re on the shelf at the British Library in London.

6th Oct 2023, 7:45 AM		#7 REPORT
	Break-In Master Member since Dec 2013 251 Points	danceband91 wrote: Hi all. I've been trying to put together a discography of the Columbia FB label from 1940 onwards. It's nearly complete, but there are 4 on which I have found no information. Does anyone happen to know the artists and titles on the following? FB 2461 FB 2654 FB 2733 FB 2818 I've tried looking through the relevant issues of the Gramophone and searching the British Newspaper Archive, but to no avail, so hoping someone here can help! I've never heard of Columbia FB. Have you tried looking here? https://archive.org/details/BillSpragueCollection-Gee-UnknownArtists

6th Oct 2023, 5:30 PM		#8 REPORT
	mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points	Break-In Master wrote: danceband91 wrote: Hi all. I've been trying to put together a discography of the Columbia FB label from 1940 onwards. It's nearly complete, but there are 4 on which I have found no information. Does anyone happen to know the artists and titles on the following? FB 2461 FB 2654 FB 2733 FB 2818 I've tried looking through the relevant issues of the Gramophone and searching the British Newspaper Archive, but to no avail, so hoping someone here can help! I've never heard of Columbia FB. Have you tried looking here? https://archive.org/details/BillSpragueCollection-Gee-UnknownArtists Columbia is the label, namely the British Columbia Graphophone Company. FB is the series. Here is one of their records: https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/fb3180 One of the moderators here actually has the book, maybe they could help? https://www.45worlds.com/book/title/columbia-fb-variety-and-dance-band-records Not sure how the Internet Archive link is of help.

7th Oct 2023, 3:10 PM		#9 REPORT
	danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points	mister_tmg wrote: One of the moderators here actually has the book, maybe they could help? https://www.45worlds.com/book/title/columbia-fb-variety-and-dance-band-records Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll message them and see if they can help.

7th Oct 2023, 6:29 PM		#10 REPORT
	danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points	Mystery solved! The member mentioned was indeed kind enough to look up his copy of the CLPGS discography. In case anyone's interested, the four records are: FB 2461. Turner Layton If I should fall in love again. Vagabond dreams. FB 2654, Patricia Burke. Rise above it-How's about ! Rise above it-The heart of mine FB 2733. Jimmy Leach and the new organolians. Yours Shepherd Serenade FB 2818. Madriguera's Orchestra Siboney Adios

7th Oct 2023, 8:47 PM		#11 REPORT
	Break-In Master Member since Dec 2013 251 Points	mister_tmg wrote: Break-In Master wrote: danceband91 wrote: Hi all. I've been trying to put together a discography of the Columbia FB label from 1940 onwards. It's nearly complete, but there are 4 on which I have found no information. Does anyone happen to know the artists and titles on the following? FB 2461 FB 2654 FB 2733 FB 2818 I've tried looking through the relevant issues of the Gramophone and searching the British Newspaper Archive, but to no avail, so hoping someone here can help! I've never heard of Columbia FB. Have you tried looking here? https://archive.org/details/BillSpragueCollection-Gee-UnknownArtists Columbia is the label, namely the British Columbia Graphophone Company. FB is the series. Here is one of their records: https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/fb3180 One of the moderators here actually has the book, maybe they could help? https://www.45worlds.com/book/title/columbia-fb-variety-and-dance-band-records Not sure how the Internet Archive link is of help. I see! Thanks! Well, desperate times call for desperate measures. Maybe you can check the various artists that recorded on that series to see if any of them might've recorded on those numbers.

10th Oct 2023, 4:34 PM		#12 REPORT
	mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points	danceband91 wrote: mister_tmg wrote: One of the moderators here actually has the book, maybe they could help? https://www.45worlds.com/book/title/columbia-fb-variety-and-dance-band-records Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll message them and see if they can help. Glad you got it solved. I wonder if the records were withdrawn, or are just very rare. The CLPGS Decca F series book seems to include some releases which were scheduled but not actually issued. However, it doesn’t indicate this.

11th Oct 2023, 5:22 PM		#13 REPORT
	danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points	mister_tmg wrote: Glad you got it solved. I wonder if the records were withdrawn, or are just very rare. I suspect the records are just very rare (or at least haven't survived to the present day). I'm not surprised by any of the artists - Turner Layton, Jimmy Leach & Patricia Burke all seem to have been consigned to the history books long ago (despite the first two being very popular in their day), so I doubt many collectors have hung on to the 78s by those artists, nor would they sell well on ebay. They also happen to fall between the gaps in the Rust discographies! mister_tmg wrote: The CLPGS Decca F series book seems to include some releases which were scheduled but not actually issued. However, it doesn’t indicate this. Out of interest, how do you therefore know that those records were never issued? Is there another source that lists unissued records? I didn't come across any gaps in the FB series - I had almost concluded that FB2300 was unissued, given it wasn't listed in the end of year catalogue, but it turned out to be an ARP instructional record!

12th Oct 2023, 1:06 AM		#14 REPORT
	mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points	danceband91 wrote: mister_tmg wrote: The CLPGS Decca F series book seems to include some releases which were scheduled but not actually issued. However, it doesn’t indicate this. Out of interest, how do you therefore know that those records were never issued? Is there another source that lists unissued records? I didn't come across any gaps in the FB series - I had almost concluded that FB2300 was unissued, given it wasn't listed in the end of year catalogue, but it turned out to be an ARP instructional record! I don't know for sure that these Decca records were never issued, it's just based on the evidence I have: one by Jessie Matthews from a cancelled stage production, one by Vera Lynn (I think), and one by Ted Heath. The catalogue number for the latter was actually used for a Gracie Fields release, which, somewhat oddly, isn't listed in the book. I can only assume that the authors of the book used Decca files, but didn't cross-check them with the monthly release leaflets etc. The Matthews and Lynn releases aren't listed in discographies for those artists. From memory, the Lynn titles are classified as "unissued" in a listing of her recording sessions. This is from memory, as I don't have the book (yet). There's also no photographic evidence of these records, which isn't conclusive, of course. The Heath titles may have been issued with a different number. I'm not aware of another source that lists unissued records, but I would expect a discography to note it if that was the case (like, say, the Decca Records book by Record Information Services, which lists the 45s on the label). ARP = Air Raid Precautions?

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