78 RPM - Comments by Neil Forbes

78 RPM - Comments by Neil Forbes

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Neil Forbes 2nd Oct 2015		78 RPM Perry Como - More / Glendora (1956)	After commenting on the 1957 Parlophone 78 earlier, and noting the presence of "Recording First Published..." on the label, the absence of same on this 1956 HMV issue, fairly narrows down when "Recording First Published..." started appearing on British 78rpm and 45rpm labels.
Neil Forbes 2nd Oct 2015		78 RPM The King Brothers - Rockin' Shoes / In The Middle Of An Island (1957)	Just noticed this 78 has "Recording First Published...." on its label. That shoots my theory about recording year-dates starting in 1958 full of holes. I only came up with that idea after seeing some pre-1958 45s without the "Recording First Published...." printed on them, though not EMI product.
Neil Forbes 1st Oct 2015		78 RPM Billy Vaughn - Berlin Melody / Theme From "Come September" (1962)	There was, of course, the 45rpm version as 45-ESS-1012 with the familiar layout. but it's not surprising to see this as a 78, The Gramophone Company Of India were still issuing 78rpm versions alongside the 45s well into the 1960s, possibly as late as 1968.
Neil Forbes 24th Sep 2015		78 RPM [no artist listed] - When Johnny Comes Marching Home / Marching Thro' Georgia (Modern Beat) (1962)	They issued only a limited number of these discs for use exclusively with the gramophones they were made for. The production ran from 1960 or 1961 up to around 1963 or 1964. I don't exactly know how many of these records were made but it couldn't have been more that 25 discs(titles) and only a limited number of each title. I don't even know who processed the discs on behalf of Lumar.
Neil Forbes 24th Sep 2015		78 RPM Ernie Sigley - It Happened Again / Love Is A Golden Ring (1957)	Yep.... with "Ding-Dong"(Denise Drysdale), his partner in "rhyme"!
Neil Forbes 24th Sep 2015		78 RPM [no artist listed] - When Johnny Comes Marching Home / Marching Thro' Georgia (Modern Beat) (1962)	An earlier Kidditunes disc did not have it, but I note this one dis have, though abbreviated, "Recording First Published" and the year of issue for this one is 1962. These records were only sold through the same toy stores that carried the players they were intended for, the "Lumar" toy gramophone. I had one as a kid, I had the battery-powered version which had two "C" cells under the turntable to power the motor. There was no electronics(no amplifier) the sound came thorough in the same way the full-size gramophones would play the disc - acoustically!
Neil Forbes 23rd Sep 2015		78 RPM [no artist listed] - Little Bo Peep / Hickory Dickory Dock (1962)	Ah, RC, it helps if you played them at the right speed, otherwise the performers sound as if they'd aged several years or were sozzled on booze!
Neil Forbes 23rd Sep 2015		78 RPM Ernie Sigley - It Happened Again / Love Is A Golden Ring (1957)	They were still being issued as late as 1961, particularly by EMI(who were still showing themselves on some labels as Columbia Graphophone Australia Ltd., even on 45s)
Neil Forbes 23rd Sep 2015		78 RPM [no artist listed] - Little Bo Peep / Hickory Dickory Dock (1962)	It played at 78rpm but was pressed in vinyl. These records were intended for use with the Lumar toy gramophones(clockwork or battery-powered motor-driven versions) and played for not much more that 3 minutes, if that. The diameter... about 5-6 inches(in the old scale).
Neil Forbes 23rd Sep 2015		78 RPM Ernie Sigley - It Happened Again / Love Is A Golden Ring (1957)	Still a teenager though! Actually, If I see the "And Here's Ernie" LP I might just buy it,if only for that re-recorded track. There's no likelihood of me stumbling across any copies of this 78 though, but I could fluke a 45 of it(if it was issued in that format, a definite possibility).
Neil Forbes 21st Sep 2015		78 RPM Ernie Sigley - It Happened Again / Love Is A Golden Ring (1957)	The B-side was the actual hit, Sigley rerecorded it in 1974 for a Festival LP called "....And Here's Ernie". At a guess, this record might date from around 1956 or 1957. Sigley was in his teens when he recorded this.
Neil Forbes 11th Sep 2015		78 RPM Eddie South - Eddie's Blues / Sweet Georgia Brown (1937)	A close-up reveals no mention of Pathe-Marconi(the French division of EMI), particular so because this issue predates by one year the merger of Columbia Graphophone Company and The Gramophone Company to form EMI, so, in all likelihood there was, as of that time, no Pathe-Marconi company.
Neil Forbes 15th Aug 2015		78 RPM Will Derby - Blindgeschoten / Visschersbede (1919)	I've inserted what I believe to be composer credits, with a nod to uploader, RobertG.
Neil Forbes 12th Aug 2015		78 RPM Gustav Fonandern - Karl-Alfred Och Eleonor / Turalleri-Turallera (Tra-La-La) (1923)	The trademark, RC, there's the connection. The Victor Talking Machine Company of the USA used the Dog & Gramophone("Nipper" HMV) trademark under licence from The Gramophone Company of England, a full nine years before The Gramophone Company merged with Columbia Graphophone Company to form what we now know as EMI. I just wish The Gramophone Company had revoked the licence when RCA bought the plant at Camden, NJ in 1929. That way, when EMI bought Capitol in 1955, they'd have had a ready-made trademark to market The Beatles, Herman's Hermits, The Animals, Lulu, Johnny Farnham, Axiom, Little River Band and other British and Australian artists & groups into America and Canada.
Neil Forbes 11th Aug 2015		78 RPM Gustav Fonandern - Karl-Alfred Och Eleonor / Turalleri-Turallera (Tra-La-La) (1923)	....And this one 6 years before that dire, tragic day in 1929 when that RCA mob came sniffin' around the Victor plant.
Neil Forbes 11th Aug 2015		78 RPM Frank Luther - Isn't It Funny / Sing Ho! For The Life Of A Bear (1932)	This record made three years after RCA bought out Victor Talking Machine co.
Neil Forbes 28th Jul 2015		78 RPM Pace Jubilee Singers - Oh Death / Shouting On (1927)	Also, danke vielmals fuer die information, Fixbutte! It's been a while since you and I last chatted. I know Berliner had established Deutsche Grammophon(which eventually evolved into Polygram) and also got the British outfit, The Gramophone Company up and running, but I was sure Berliner had a hand in Victor, somewhere.... No? Nonetheless, my remarks about the HMV trademark on the Victor label still stand. In 1929 when RCA bought the Victor plant, That's the point where the Dog & Gramophone trademark should've vanished from the label, to be replaced by RCA's "button" logo. The HMV name and TM should've returned to the USA/Canada ONLY through EMI's near-outright purchase of Capitol in 1955.
Neil Forbes 28th Jul 2015		78 RPM Pace Jubilee Singers - Oh Death / Shouting On (1927)	This label predates by roughly 2 years, the RCA acquisition of Victor Talking Machine Co. of Camden, NJ, USA. At this point in the company's history it was still owned(I believe) by its founder, German "entrepreneur", Emile Berliner. Berliner had also established "The Gramophone Company" in England as an offshoot of his "Deutsche Grammophon GmbH" in Germany. In 1927 Victor Talking Machine Co, was quite legitimately using the "Nipper"(Dog & Gramophone - HMV) trademark under licence from the British owner, as was Berliner's DGG. Two years later, when reps from RCA came sniffing around the Victor plant(RCA, back then, was little more than a subsidiary of General Electric, founded by Thomas A. Edison), they(RCA) wanted a larger factory to build radio sets. But when they saw what was being made at this Camden NJ plant.... That's the point where the Dog & Gramophone trademark should've vanished from the label, to be replaced by RCA's "button" logo. The HMV name and TM should've returned to the USA/Canada ONLY through EMI's near-outright purchase of Capitol in 1955.
Neil Forbes 19th Jul 2015		78 RPM Russ Morgan - Put Your Shoes On, Lucy / Bar Room Polka (1949)	Any time I've seen this label, the print has faded to such a degree as to render the label illegible(unreadable). Something in the gold ink used in the printing makes it fade or wear away. Not that I actually buy 78s as the era they represent(generally), 1920s to mid-1950s* just doesn't appeal to me. Rock & Roll on 78rpm is as rare as hens' teeth(as I've found). *Australia came late to the 45rpm vinyl disc, compared to Britain, USA and other countries, sporadic 45's issued prior to 1956 but on the whole, 78s still "ruled the roost" here almost up to 1960.
Neil Forbes 29th Mar 2015		78 RPM Bill Haley And His Comets - Shake Rattle And Roll / A.B.C. Boogie (1954)	Likely this could be Danish or Swedish, going by the boxed "NCB" at the bottom of the label.
Neil Forbes 14th Mar 2015		78 RPM Arturo Toscanini - Overture To Opera "Carlos Bruegnon" / Stormy Weather (1946)	I just tried to post a remark on this but my internet connection is giving me grief. I learned though watching a documentary on Nat "King" Cole that one of his earliest recordings appeared on this special US forces label. These were only available to those serving in the defence forces listed on the label, thus weren't available to the general public. Is it safe to assume the material appearing on this label was properly licenced from the pre-existing labels(copyright owners)?
Neil Forbes 5th Mar 2015		78 RPM Fats Domino - Detroit City Blues / The Fat Man (1950)	If Detroit City Blues has matrix #IM-132, and The Fat Man has matrix #IM-133, logically this makes The Fat Man, the B-side of the disc.
Neil Forbes 23rd Feb 2015		78 RPM Columbia Band - Liberty Bell March / Manisot March (1908)	Adding to what I've already said about the Columbia Graphophone label, an interesting turnabout comes during the 1950s when American CBS recordings are no longer going to their British "namesake", rather, they're showing up on Philips and (later), Fontana, meaning the American arm has now gone its separate way and the link with its British "saviour" is now well-and-truly severed. Comes the 1960s and the now-giant American CBS is looking to establish itself in Britain, buying up the small Oriole outfit and converting it into CBS (UK) Ltd. And that's where the story ended... for the time being... until several decades later when Japanese electronics firm Sony opened wide and swallowed CBS in one gulp! (burp!)
Neil Forbes 23rd Feb 2015		78 RPM Ray Anthony - Serenade In Blue / Moonlight Serenade (1954)	Considering some Norwegian Capitols have been added here lately, maybe this one is also from Norway...Hmmmm.
Neil Forbes 23rd Feb 2015		78 RPM Ray Anthony - Serenade In Blue / Moonlight Serenade (1954)	Could be a Scandinavian country(rough guess). The NCB on the label is the only clue.
Neil Forbes 20th Feb 2015		78 RPM Columbia Band - Liberty Bell March / Manisot March (1908)	I noted in the examples shown, the earlier ones had "New York - London" on the label. This bears out what I said in my notes about the British arm then turning around and helping to re-establish the Columbia name in the USA. The US company that made those early 78s was the fore-runner to one-half of EMI but it would be that American early company that went ker-blooey while the British arm thrived and became a separate company in its own right (until its merger with The Gramophone Co., in 1938 to form EMI). The Columbia of the 1950s in the USA does not have a line of ancestry back to that earlier label. The Columbia Records of today (now swallowed up by Sony) owes its existence to the Pre-EMI British arm which became that separate British-owned entity which helped to re-establish the brand in the USA. As for the trademark we became familiar with in the 1960s, the trademark straddled the spindle-hole on orange-label discs that replaced the Coronet label in 1962 (but were still briefly using Coronet serial prefixes). The label we had was based on the Brit. LP design, and that trademark had been described elsewhere as a "speaker on a stand" thought it could've been described as an eye.
Neil Forbes 20th Feb 2015		78 RPM Bunk Johnson And His New Orleans Band - Alexander's Ragtime Band / My Maryland (1952)	I've seen some 78s on Brunswick, made in Australia, and you can just barely make out the brand-name. As for reading anything else on the labels - FORGET IT! the print's faded away to near blank label!
Neil Forbes 20th Feb 2015		78 RPM Columbia Band - Liberty Bell March / Manisot March (1908)	Actually RC, This IS the USA organisation! Columbia Graphophone was established in the USA, then set up a branch in the UK. It's ironic but the UK branch became the new "headquarters" when the American parent company faltered and failed. It was then the turn of the now-British company to re-establish the Columbia name in the USA (did someone just mutter something about "coals to Newcastle"?) and the new American company had to "lease" the magic notes trademark from the British establishment. This they did for several years until the 45rpm era when the American arm, now a separate entity (history repeating itself) and operating a TV and radio network, had to come up with a new trademark, that's where the stylised "speaker on a stand" design came into the picture. Meanwhile, back in England... well, I've already covered that chapter!
Neil Forbes 19th Feb 2015		78 RPM Columbia Band - Liberty Bell March / Manisot March (1908)	Interesting the name at the bottom of this label. Under this name the company moved to England and became embedded there, while the US operation faltered and went belly-up. The British newly-independent company operated as rivals to, then in 1938 formed an alliance (merger) with The Gramophone Company, owners of the "Nipper"(HMV) trademark, to form Electric & Musical Industries Ltd. Prior to that merger, members of the British "Columbia" outfit went over to the USA to help re-establish the brand there, and that's how CBS eventually came about, first as a radio broadcaster, then as a record label (albeit losing use of the Magic Notes trademark after a while).
Neil Forbes 16th Feb 2015		78 RPM Roger Roger - Pleasure Drive / New Horizons (1968)	The only time I've ever come across 78rpm vinyl discs was when I was given a Lumar (brand) toy gramophone for Xmas (when I was 10 years old, or so), and the records that came with it carried the "kidditune" label, 5"-diameter discs that barely got to 2 minutes playing time. (now I AM feeling positively ancient!)

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