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Lee Wrecker
1st Aug 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (2011)
Thanks for the information Apollo59 the 'Made In The Shade 1978' bootleg looks great with six extra songs but this issue still looks pretty good too. I suppose the question for a lot of us is do I really need to buy another copy of Some Girls just for the bonus tracks. I'm glad that I know they're good because that makes this package look a bit more tempting but the bootleg looks the business to me.

Lee Wrecker
31st Jul 2017
CD Album
Various Artists - Phil's Spectre III – A Third Wall Of Soundalikes (2007)
Ace are sailing close to wind here with their "wall of soundalikes", cover shot of Spector and Cher and pun on Spector's name. It's so beautifully done that you hardly notice it at first but the album still looks like a another good retrospective collection from Ace. Not much danger of being sued though with the artist in question on an enforced hiatus.

Oh, Beggars Road "American English has never been in jeopardy"? Covfefe! That's all I have to say about that one.

Lee Wrecker
31st Jul 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (2011)
Hi Apollo59, well at least I proved something for all my mucking about. Point taken though Apollo59 and a lesson learned. Anyway, what's the extra disc on this one like? It's hard to believe that there was a whole album of quality Stones material from this period lying around for 33 years.

Lee Wrecker
31st Jul 2017
CD Album
John Farnham - Chain Reaction (1990)
There has been some discussion about the "Australasia" boilerplate and the upshot of that is that we use Australia as you did here. In the late 70's the major labels started consolidating LP production. As old record plants across Australia and New Zealand were mothballed the newer plants wherever they were took on production for the region. RCA for instance moved all LP production to the Wellington plant in New Zealand. Regionalising the offices and place of manufacture to "Australasia" was a typically corporate solution to combining a number of small markets. I'm not sure how much of this product ever made it to Asia but not much is my guess.

A little tip for those of you that are not Australian is that anything made by Disctronics was made in Australia. Hope that helps explain it a little bit.

Lee (real first name) Wrecker (thought it was funny at the time)

Lee Wrecker
31st Jul 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (2011)
Well, everyone, I'm just back from the shop where I tracked down two copies of the Australian version of this CD. Thankfully, the link I provided earlier is wrong (as usual with Australian releases) and the Australian CD has a cat# 2784055 not 278 405-5. This I believe is enough to separate the releases because although the number string is the same there is no hyphen or space as in the EU version. Labels and bar code are identical so is it the same or different?

The scans on the link below show that the Mexican and Indonesian versions cat#s are spaced the same but my eyes aren't good enough to tell if the hyphen is there or not. We'll just have to wait and see when someone posts one I suppose.

Beggars Road, I'm on this runaway train and I know members will do what they do. I just wish the guidelines reflected what members actually do or are realistically capable of doing when entering a CD. I too have expressed my concerns in this area to the MODS and even started a forum on this issue about two months ago but CDs are a very tricky format to catalogue for many reasons.

Lee Wrecker
31st Jul 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (2011)
@Beggars Road I agree with your statement "Dr. Doom's guidelines (of which I concur except the 'International' category)". However, it doesn't mean we can ignore them and as a rule matching cat#, label and bar code is considered enough evidence to prove a CD is international. You don't like it, I don't like it but that's way things stand at the moment.

Lee Wrecker
31st Jul 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (2011)
Alenko, I'm not suggesting members check for International status. I'm certainly sick of it and I don't bother sending corrections very often anymore because it often leads to protracted debates with trainspotters about secondary cat#s, secondary labels and other irrelevant minutia. My question was "does anybody check for International status when new entries go in".

I would estimate that there would currently be at least 10 000 CDs of the 60 odd thousand on this site that need to be corrected to International. So simply just making a correction here and there is not going to make much of a difference in the scheme of things. What I'm saying is if the site and MODS want CDs listed a particular way they should lead by example and check CDs for international status as items are posted. It is fairly obvious that this does not happen in any way, shape or form.

Personally though I'd prefer CDs listed as from whatever country or region they were primarily made and marketed for. However, that is not how we do it here and while I have probably corrected (internationalized) a couple of hundred CDs the prospect of going through them all is not that attractive to me. Perhaps some of the International Brigade (those that like the international classification) should start going through them because it certainly doesn't appeal to me or my sense of what might be right.

Lee Wrecker
30th Jul 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Some Girls (2011)
The Australian (Australasian) release has the same cat#, barcode, label etc. so this one should be International. It was also released in Mexico, Argentina and Indonesia with the same details. Does anybody check for International status when new entries go in? I know it is tiresome to double check this stuff but if we have a system of entry that favours international listings (we do) surely we should check entries as they go in and not rely on site users overhauling entries as new versions appear?

While we have system that favours international CD listings we also have site users and MODS for that matter that prefer national or regional listing of CDs. This is a classic example it took me about 3 mins to locate four CDs from different countries with identical details to this and it wasn't that hard to do. Obviously, no-one is interested in actually following through in this regard. Why is it so? As Prof. Julius Sumner Miller used to say.

I know, watch this space the system is currently being updated but that's been going on for years now and there's been no new proposals for a revised system of entry floated for comment or discussion by site users.

Lee Wrecker
28th Jul 2017
CD Album
The Rolling Stones - Between The Buttons (1995)
The USA version of this album dropped the tracks "My Obsession" and "Back Street Girl" from the UK and rest of the world versions of the album and replaced them with the singles of "Let's Spend The Night Together" and "Ruby Tuesday". The Stones back catalogue is a mess on CD as the USA versions of their early releases seem to have taken precedent over the UK and rest of the world releases. Surely, in these cases they could have added the two songs as bonus tracks or even given us a mono and stereo mix it did come in both.
ABKCO are bleeding the cash cow dry with their poor sounding (no remastering for the metal sound of CD) shoddy (cover art, label design etc.). There is one exception though and that is Rolled Gold +, it has 12 extra tracks and has had a very good remastering job done on all the tracks. Why couldn't they do the same thing with the rest of the catalogue they own?

Lee Wrecker
18th Jul 2017
CD Album
Paul Simon - Graceland (1986)
Calm down turbo! It is, however, tiresome that this fact has to be explained, unsuccessfully it seems, time and time again.

Lee Wrecker
17th Jul 2017
CD Album
Booker T. And The MG's - That's The Way It Should Be (1994)
Images here would suggest this entry is correct, ppint. You would naturally think of Warners for any of the Stax/Volt/Atlantic acts such as Booker T. And The MG's. This however is a later contemporary release of 1994 recorded after the band had been touring with Neil Young . So as odd or unlikely as it seems this is in fact a correct entry.

Sadder still is that there is no tale of the Majors buying each other's catalogues while the backroom boys strip sell the global independent music business to the highest bidders. Look! I've explained the modern music industry in one sentence.

Lee Wrecker
10th Jul 2017
CD Album
Roxy Music - Siren (1991)
Label here is E'G and not EG. I don't know why or when the apostrophe appeared but it did and we need to look out for it. It's all over the shop on these EG CDs.

Lee Wrecker
10th Jul 2017
CD Album
Dire Straits - Dire Straits (1988)
And after all that work folks... this is a really boring record. Well, it was until it became a CD then look what happened - they added the more boring B sides. I bought this when it came out, recycled it in a week and wished I'd bought the single instead. Time has obliterated that wish and I now never want to hear "Sultans Of Swing" or this album ever again. No-one was predicting the impending global Dire Straits mania around the corner on the strength of this album. File under unassuming debut albums.

Lee Wrecker
10th Jul 2017
CD Album
Pink Floyd - The Division Bell (1994)
Any artists in Australia showing any inclinations towards Stock, Aitkin and Waterman style pop are immediately deported to England and told not come home until they have amassed 30 gold records. Kylie may have to come home soon but the others mentioned below will be on a life sentence. Hrr, hrr, haarrr so you're stuck with Jason (Panto) Donovan and Peter (what happened to my shirt) Andre forever.

That reminds me to have a quick look around for some more ambitious "idol" types to send over. Expect a new batch of Australian pop lite, muscle bound, underwear models or ex soapy stars soon. What's all this got to do with Pink Floyd's "Division Bell"? Well, nothing really but it is a little more entertaining than the lame add on the "Division Bell" is to the Pink Floyd catalogue. Phew, finally got these comments back on track.

Lee Wrecker
9th Jul 2017
CD Album
Pink Floyd - The Division Bell (1994)
Oh, yes Apollo59, we have taken over south East Asia and when we win Eurovision we will control the musical world. Australasia is a "boilermaker" that is/was used sometimes by the majors for Australian product. I always wondered if it actually did appear in other markets as well. Your entry here Apollo is the plain garden variety of Made In Australia. The Made In Australasia moniker started to appear in the late 70's early 80's around the time RCA was shutting down the LP pressing plants around Australia and using the Wellington (NZ) plant to produce a lot of LPs.

So, Apollo, although I'm not responsible for the Australasian tag or my country's endless ambition I do concede the area of the world we're taking about is in fact South East Asia. Australasia, indeed, hrmmph.

Lee Wrecker
9th Jul 2017
CD Album
Pink Floyd - The Division Bell (1994)
That would be Australasian then Apollo59 but we have no category for that so it ends up in the international "catch all". This is a problem the other way around too. CDs from around the world released in Australia are also automatically international but it is so hard to prove without going back to the actual catalogues.

Lee Wrecker
2nd Jul 2017
CD Album
Simon And Garfunkel - The Definitive Simon And Garfunkel (1991)
Linked to Australian issue which is the primary release.

Lee Wrecker
28th Jun 2017
CD Album
Ryuichi Sakamoto - Heartbeat (1992)
Hi gregs78s my first guess was this and it's printed in Australia and has the French price code. First guess! There's plenty of them around I just never knew what the F: PM ##### was before. So a combination of lazy artwork techniques are at play. Once again though it makes for muddy water for us to wade through.

Here's a copy of Lou Reed's Transformer and a copy of a Punk compilation. Found these in 10 mins in my collection so they do exist. Had a further dig through about 2/3 of my collection and found over 10 more the same. There are of course many more like the Iggy one that you and I referenced which have local discs in European or USA printed packaging. Oh, the joy!

Lee Wrecker
28th Jun 2017
CD Album
TISM - De Rigueurmortis (2001)
This CD's only one country away from being international! Hey TVJ, this and "Gentlemen Start Your Egos" are the only two I don't have by this bunch of talentless jokers. Slim Pickins and ridiculous prices will probably ensure it stays that way. Why is that? It's not as though they were any good?

Lee Wrecker
28th Jun 2017
CD Album
Ryuichi Sakamoto - Heartbeat (1992)
Hey gregs78s, the French retail price code, like the UK specific cat# (or is that a price code as well) appears all over the world. This Australian Iggy Pop album has the French price code for some unknown reason. The most likely reason would be laziness in the art department and not airbrushing out irrelevant details when piecing the artwork together for a local copy.

It is often the case that locally made Australian editions of CDs (or LPs for that matter) carry errant information tracing back to the UK, European and USA original releases. Check out this Eric Clapton album that cops all the information from the USA original and carries no references to Australia at all except matrix numbers. Gearing up for the madness of the CD era no doubt.

All of this is just useless extra information and I don't know anything about whether or not this is a UK only or European release.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Roy Orbison - Mystery Girl (1989)
See images here this is in fact a Virgin release and not Virgin America as listed. Righto, I think I've had all the fun I can sorting these out but there's plenty of them here that are incorrectly listed and I'm not going to check them all. I'll leave that to the lucky MODS.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
PiL - That What Is Not (1992)
Label here should be Virgin.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Roxy Music - Siren (2000)
Thanks Magic, however making Virgin America the secondary label is not quite right either as the words, logo or any reference to "Virgin America" do not appear anywhere on this CD. Therefore the secondary label should be removed. I think the whole point of the discussion below was to put the position that Virgin America (this does have a logo though) or Virgin Records America Inc. are not labels at all but just the company office names of the Virgin Label in the USA.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Ryuichi Sakamoto - Heartbeat (1992)
Ha ha, here's one that has what we might consider the Virgin America logo. The usual Virgin logo with "AMERICA" written below it. So this one is correct, depending how much weight you give to the word "America" changing label name at all. Virgin Records had an office in Australia as well but that doesn't mean everything that has "Virgin Records Australia" on it is on a different label. Or does it?

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Steve Winwood - Roll With It (1988)
Label should be Virgin as it is on the CD label.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Courtney Love - America's Sweetheart (2004)
Label here should be Virgin not Virgin America which does not appear on the CD or packaging at all. CD has Virgin Records logo and the inlay has three appearances of the same logo. It may well be published and copyright by "Virgin Records America" but that does not make that the label. Why "Virgin America" is listed as the label at all is a mystery to me as there is no evidence here at all to support that assertion.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Roxy Music - Stranded (1987)
Label should be E'G according to images here. I can see this malarkey is going to be a problem with some releases being EG and some being E'G. It seems an odd change to make name wise to me and it's so close to the original it's probably slipped by me many a time before. Time to check my entries.

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Roxy Music - Country Life (1984)
This one has the apostrophe between the E and G on the label name as does this one but we have no images for that entry. Should the labels be changed from EG to E'G as it appears on the product? If anyone knows why EG Records changed to E'G Records I'd be interested to know why I've never noticed it before but it seems to have occurred in the early to mid-eighties. Oh, did it change back at any point?

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Roxy Music - Siren (2000)
Thanks PhilMH and Alenko I have sent a correction in regard to the label. Off to Edinburgh eh Phil, is there some clandestine meeting planned with Dr Doom?

Lee Wrecker
26th Jun 2017
CD Album
Bryan Ferry * Roxy Music - Street Life * 20 Great Hits (1986)
What's with the weird apostrophe between the E and G on the label of this one? I know it's on the inlay and CD but why has it appeared? Is it a typo on the product? No, it's not it seems to have gone on for years but why?


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