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Lee Wrecker 14th Jan 2017		CD Album Eddie Floyd - Knock On Wood (1991)	Now Phil don't go putting the cat among the pigeons and opening the "international" debate. You are however right in that the guide to adding CDs only requirement is to search for the barcode and if it exists the inference is to add your CD to that page. Sounds simple enough but just try to change an entry on this basis alone and there'll either be howl of objections or deafening silence as is the case here. When I started entering CDs a number MODS told me that a matching cat#, barcode and label would make a CD international. A little later I was advised that anything made in Australia is Australian regardless of matches to other data. In the guide to adding countries posted by Dr. Doom there is mention that CDs need to be "identical" in order to be considered international. So this is where we are, working with guidelines that vary from the very broad (barcode only) to "indentical" which in some cases includes secondary cat#s, number spacing, hyphens and secondary distributors. The problem is that depending on how you interpret the instructions (for want of a better word) you can pretty much enter a CD as you personally see fit and still be within what we might call usual practice on the site. It is a very messy affair and one that I thought I was close to coming to grips with until my last foray in CDWorld revealed more problems than I'd initially imagined. I'm still thinking about it though. I'm going right back to basics though and thinking if I was to enter a CD and had that CD in my hand what could CDWorld expect me to use as data to enter it. We are the only site I'm aware of trying to invent our international category and think we may need to revisit that decision because you can't expect site users to use anything but what's on the CD to enter it. Not having to go off trawling the net to find that it was also released in Mexico (more common than you'd think) with the same details and this now makes your Australian CD international even though either version would be hardly to appear in both territories. Discwrongs as I call it or the other site as others call it, does this much better than us and it is easy to find your disc on their site. The details may not be spot on but you can find things quickly and easily. We have chosen a different path, concocted our own nebulous criteria that requires knowledge from beyond the item at hand and if it is listed as international it then becomes more difficult to find and certain domestic details are lost. So currently after having used all the methods described above I'm back to where I started when I first hopped planets from Vinyl World and I'm using the "what is says on the tin" method as this is the only thing I can be certain about of the way things stand at the moment. Discwrongs homepages also look better and are easier to navigate which brings to the next problem CD World homepages. Just look at ourThe Beatles page - not an album released during their time together as a band on the whole first page. That though is also a result of the cataloging system on CDWorld and I think the whole thing needs an overhaul from the concept of the World to the way it it operates. The problems are bigger than just agreeing that from now on it's going to be a certain set of criteria to make a disc international. I'm going to stop now ... could go on and on... but better to ruminate some more before I can get something together to discuss in a forum. That will be at least 2 weeks away though - I'm going to Melbourne next week to rifle through the record bins searching for gold.
Lee Wrecker 12th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Pin-Ups (2015)	Alenko is right but labels can also be an issue. Can the label be something that is not on the CD or artwork? Some people think so, check out this USA copy of Abbey Road to see what I mean. Here, we also see the longbox rear its ugly head and in this case a longbox with a completely different cat# to the CD inside. I hope there aren't too many of these around. Are the Beatles released by Capitol USA a special case? I don't know but it seems we're heading that way on 45 Worlds.
Lee Wrecker 12th Jan 2017		CD Album Frank Kelly - Comedy Countdown	Oooh, me eyes is really goin' fought that was the Gorillaz album for sec there.
Lee Wrecker 11th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Scary Monsters (1999)	Hi Greg, the only difference on the inlay, inlay back, album cover and back cover is my scans have a plain white background and your copies have a cream to background this is apparent even on the smaller shot of the back of the album on image 1239074. Not much of a difference but it is there. All of my seven CDs from this series whether Australian or European made have blue Album titles.
Lee Wrecker 11th Jan 2017		CD Album Kevin Ayers - Rainbow Takeaway / That's What You Get Babe (2011)	It is a UK only release ppint, a fairly rare thing these days.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Low (1999)	Welcome to CD World's international secondary cat# game where all is not what it appears. Use Dr Doom's "identical" law in an arbitrary fashion and you can magically make CDs that are same different and vice versa as I am doing here. It's a lot of fun and no-one ever loses because everyone is always right depending on their own view of what constitutes a matching CD and by selectively choosing the evidence to suit you're always in the clear. It's so easy. International or domestic release, it doesn't it matter! Argue your way to the top of the Bipoplar tree and confound other site members with insane nitpicking irrelevancies or even hard core facts in extreme cases. I might come back next week and re-internationalise this one depending on my mood. A forum is urgently needed on what is actually an "identical" CD because everyone's interpretation is different. MODS also need to stop telling users that matching barcode, cat# and label is enough for a CD to be international as this is often not enough to convince the highly influential identical brigade. Forum time or carry on with this nonsense regardless?
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Pin-Ups (2015)	It's interesting ppint but confounding. I've been running into this problem left right and centre but each case is different and equally confusing. Seems the CD, label artwork and logos are not to be trusted just like the transnationals that splash them about. Anoraks and trainspotting university for all until they resolve into one super label. Forum topic, yes but what to discuss is the question. There is no point having us all list instances of where this has happened - it's everywhere and as you point out labels and bits of them (strips anyone) are being bought and sold all the time. What to discuss other than how we can keep up escapes me.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Station To Station (1999)	With a nod to Tc-630 I've added a full set of (clearer) scans for moderation and all the other missing bits and pieces. My label is a little lighter but it's that way in real life but at least it's a full size scan. I'll send a correction.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Scary Monsters (1999)	Added a full set of scans with a nod to gregs78s. Not sure if your copy is actually the colour of the scans Greg or if your scanner was on the way out? Anyway, my copy looks like the scans I've uploaded and by the way the CD labels are variants as mine has a blue album title and no Bel logo near the EMI logo. Trainspotters licence granted and all international visas revoked even though this was bought in Australia. Correction sent for shuffling and moderating if necessary.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Heroes (1999)	Shouldn't the title be in inverted commas ie. "Heroes".
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Heroes (1999)	Added Booklet scans pages 2-15 and the 24 bit remaster sticker to be shuffled into place. I have four of these European versions and they all have a little click at the start of the CD. I have three Australian editions but they don't have it. I think they were all bought at the same shop within a fortnight of each other when they came out and why I have 4 European and 3 Australian copies is a mystery to me.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Hunky Dory (1999)	Added missing scans and a variant CD with a blue album title, bought in Australia but who cares. Seems stupid to make it international to me. Correction sent to shuffle scans into place.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Hunky Dory (1999)	Well, gregs78s they may have been intended for Europe and the UK but also ended up in Australia. So definitely international but I don't think that's a good fit either as some of this series (maybe all) were released locally as well and made in Australia. They have the same cat#, barcode and label the only difference being a missing space in the secondary cat#. See "Low" from this series to see what I mean. Now that I have two different types of Australian releases homegrown and European I think the these European copies should be listed as European and the Australian ones as Australian. Or are they all international - I really don't know anymore when it comes to level differentiation. But what I do know is the international category in this world is a very difficult customer to deal with. I am going to request that "Low" be changed back to European and list the Australian version separately and have my CD and inlay images hidden. I'll leave the booklet scans though and plow through rest using the "what it says on the tin" method and people can argue the toss when they're up.I'll add a full set of missing scans later and a CD shot for moderation.
Lee Wrecker 9th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Scary Monsters (1999)	Bought my copy of this "identical" CD in Australia as regular issue. International by the site protocols but I'd prefer it left as is because if we were to go this route nearly everything on the site would be International. Australia is a strange marketplace and a lot of European and USA releases are readily available here. I have four from this series of Bowie's 24 bit remasters for example. I have seven of the series in total, three Made In Australia and four of these UK/European releases all bought at the same time. Figure that out?
Lee Wrecker 9th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Pin-Ups (2015)	The CD label looks great sheepdip and is a good reinterpretation of the original RCA Victor label but what have they done to the cover! It looks dreadful to my eyes and looks like a high school student's water colour version of the original. Great set of covers from Bowie though and Mick Ronson is on fire on this album. Worth the price of admission for the guitar work alone.
Lee Wrecker 9th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - The Beatles [The White Album]	No date for this one either I'm afraid 1994-96ish I'd reckon. Can anyone help me out with these? Surely there's some Aussie Beetlenuts about? Once again a bastardised Australian release with locally printed labels on UK EMI glass with a barcode that matches the international 1987 release but little else. Phew, I'm glad to see the back of them - now to the Bowie 24 Bit remasters for more of the same trainspotting rigmarole. Aha, but then that's all mine in. Until of course I buy a new CD.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Revolver	No date for this one but my guess would be 1994 to 1997 but that's as close as I can get. Another Digital Audio Technologies Australia label pressed on EMI UK glass by the looks. Bury on page 12 of the unmanageable Beatles homepages until a date can be found. Linking these Beatles CDs is also fraught with difficulty because searches for the album titles don't find the primary entry of the album. A search for Revolver The Beatles reveals this and none of the CDs here are the primary entry, this is the primary entry or the only one I could link to.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road	Date unknown but post 1992 as that is when Digital Audio Technologies Australia began operations. Label printed on EMI UK glass I believe and a mysterious conglomeration cat#s and the same barcode as the 1987 international release all adds up to make this one a nightmare to enter. Think I've got right though this time. Anyway until a date appears this one will be safely tucked away on page 12 of the totally unnavigable Beatles CD World homepages.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (1987)	Changed my mind (to a new improved model) and I will do a separate Australian entry for this post 1992 version with no matching secondary cat# and a slightly different CDP cat# on the disc with no spaces in the numbering and I'll use that as a secondary cat#. All other details the same and in fact this is the 1987 UK remaster on glass cut at EMI UK but the label was printed in Sydney at Digital Audio Technologies Australia and their logo appears on the CD face. The same but different it appears. Trainspotters licence granted - why thank you.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - The Beatles [The White Album] (1987)	Thanks cptbeefheart but the cat#s don't match properly either, similar but not the same. I'm sure these would have come out in the mid 90's as the UK version was available here before this was released. The Digital Audio Technologies Australia stamp on the label indicates two things, one it was pressed (perhaps only the label details on blank label copies imported from the UK) in Sydney and two that it was 1992 or later as that is when this plant started operating. The other Beatles CDs I have Revolver and Abbey Road both have this stamp and are therefore definitely not from 1987 or part of that International release that I have attached them to. I knew I left these and the Bowie series to last for a reason you've got to be like Sherlock Holmes to pin these buggers down.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - The Beatles [The White Album] (1987)	My images here for the Australian release are not related to this release and need to be deleted and an Australian separate entry needs to be made. I'll do one up later but I have no idea of the year of release cat# 7 46443 8 same numbers as here but it also has a CDP cat# not CDS as this release is. Discwrongs of no use in finding a release date but does have a listing. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Revolver (1987)	Is my copy of Revolver Australian or international?? CD cat# on label CDP 7464412 is the same but has no spaces like the others listed that are cat# CDP 7 46441 2. The spaces appear on spine cat# but do not have CDP lettering and this repeated on the inlay and the back of the booklet. Same CD or separate entry? I can't tell. Or is it case of if it's made in Australia it's Australian, I don't know but I have heard both arguments and just want my images to be placed correctly.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jan 2017		CD Album David Bowie - Space Oddity (1999)	Alrighty, let's have a crack at this one! My Australian version is "identical" in every way except that the secondary cat# is 5218980 and not 521 8980 so it doesn't have a space between the 1 and the 8. I know gregs78s thinks this enough to warrant a separate entry as he put this case on "Low" another CD from this series I added late last year. This one was changed to international, I'm presuming the same would apply here but I'm asking first in case that may be wrong because like many others on the site CDWorld just completely bamboozles me. So the question is does a missing space in the secondary cat# warrant a new Australian entry. Or is the previous Australian copy (linked above) the correct way to go on this series. I am asking now because I have five others in this series and don't want to go through the same palaver for each entry. I am also concerned that despite having entered close to 660 CDs on this site I still have no confidence in what I should do with a large number of entries or how to best go about it in many instances. To me this certainly seems to be an international release but some of us interpret "identical" in greater detail than others. Any advice welcome.
Lee Wrecker 7th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (1987)	I can see these longboxes are going to be trouble if they all carry different cat#s. I've bought a few in my day but don't have any at hand as evidence for doing a CD entry. They were intended to be disposable packaging and not an intergral part of the product. Mine all went in the bin because they were to difficult to store. So if they contain vital evidence, as is the case here, they may be very hard to find and this could be a problem cataloging US CDs and this has been dicussed on Discogs. I think we need to have some sort of understanding on how we deal with them on this site. Discogs, currently treats longbox and non longbox entries as separate items should we? Anyway, my take on this particular CD is that it's an international CD in a USA longbox and a very difficult customer to boot.
Lee Wrecker 7th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (1987)	So CCT# is the primary # then cptbeefheart, but now I suppose the question is how are site users without a 30 year old longbox going to know that this CCT cat# is their CD? You yourself made this mistake on your original entry and used the CDP cat# plus the CDP cat # is used 5 times on the CD and packaging so this mistake will most likely be made again and again.
Lee Wrecker 7th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (1987)	JPGR&B, okay then what do we do when the same CD appears without the longbox (ie. second hand copies)? Will that version be international? The net is full of listings of this USA CD with the CDP 7 46446 2 cat# and it won't be long before another turns up here because listings of it as cat# CCT 7 46446 2 are very hard to find. I would go the other way around as the product in the box is the same thing and has two matching cat#s. I am trying to use the site guidelines and the evidence to explain my position (see previous comment) but I'm interested in what specific criteria or evidence is being used to inform the way you "think" about this one JPGR&B. The reason I'm asking is that there seems to be plenty of what people feel and think should be done on this entry but very little on why it should be done according to the site guidelines or what parameters are actually being used to make these decisions. Now, I'm not trying to be difficult I am trying to understand because obviously in some cases some criteria are more important than others but at the moment I can't understand why that is so. Can you help me out? Confused.
Lee Wrecker 7th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (1987)	The Australian CD has the cat# CDP 7464462 on the disc with no spaces but I see it as the same thing. Do you think I should make that a separate entry too - it was also specific to the Australian market. If we want to look for differences I could make nearly everything made in Australia an Australian release due the way our EMI cat numbering system works. Here the disc and inlay are identical matches and if that's not good enough nothing will be in some peoples' minds. The cat# CCT 7 46446 2 is not listed on Discwrongs at all and a google search reveals only two instances of its use here and a Beatles blog. To my mind that is not enough evidence to elevate that cat# to the primary position when there are two cat#s matching the international release plainly evident this entry and a google search of CDP 7 46446 2 USA reveals a multitude of results for this CD. Just because a disc was manufactured for a particular market is not a valid argument in this or any case to make that market the country of origin according to the guidelines of the site. Actually the only criteria for differentiating CD listings between international and domestic in the guidelines is whether or not the barcodes match contained in the duplicates section . It does not have to be the same identical CD or even have the same cat#. We all know the guidelines need to be improved but as they stand that is it. The real problem is everyone is making up their own rules which vary from matching barcode as the only criteria to having to be the very same "identical" CD to quote Dr Doom who used this word in a forum and some users take it to mean the very same CD, others interpret it as matching cat#, barcode and label but none of this is in the actual guidelines. In extreme cases secondary cat#s, place of manufacture and secondary distribution companies are used to prove a CD is domestic. This is why we have these problems and people seem to get very uptight about it. We sorely need some consistency and some simple logical criteria for people to follow when entering CDs. Surely there's some middle ground to be found somewhere between the two extremes that we seem to be using at present.
Lee Wrecker 5th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Revolver (1987)	Added Australian version scans of Inlay and CD once again with minor differences. Both Parlophone and Apple logos appear on the CD. CD cat# the same but no spaces on CD cat# but spaces on spine cat# but no CDP lettering. These slight differences are due to the idiosyncrasies EMI Australia and their numbering system and in my opinion do not warrant a separate entry.
Lee Wrecker 5th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (1987)	Added Australian release which has several minor differences but is essentially the same release. Cat# on spine is identical but on the CD the numbers are not spaced but this is just the way EMI in Australia prints cat#s on CDs. The Apple logo is also apparent on the inlay unlike all those posted so far but does not appear on the CD. However, I don't believe this minor discrepancies warrant a separate entry.
Lee Wrecker 5th Jan 2017		CD Album The Beatles - Revolver (1987)	Does the fact that because this is manufactured by Capitol an EMI subsidiary make it a USA release when it has the same release date, cat#, barcode and label as the International release. made by EMI? I think we're clutching at straws here.

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