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Member	Item		Review/Comment
Lee Wrecker 23rd Jun 2021		CD Album Supertramp - The Very Best Of Supertramp (1990)	Linked to other versions on the site.
Lee Wrecker 22nd Jun 2021		CD Album Scars [Gary Moore] - Scars (2002)	Hey Magic, this was discussed here in forums for Live acts. The same late 70s early 80s Scottish Indie/New Romantic band also have listings on 45cat and their only album is on this part of the site. How to separate them is the question. How about Scars [Gary Moore] Scars [NOT Gary Moore]? Maybe Scottish would be better?
Lee Wrecker 18th Jun 2021		CD Album Aqua - Aquarium (1997)	Linked to other versions on the site. Strange that three different versions of this were released in Australia between 1997 and 1998. I know it was released multiple times in the EU but those releases were all the 11 track original album. Whereas the Australian releases all have bonus songs, discs or different mixes of songs added. This seemed to happen across many territories including Asia and South America but not the EU for some reason. There were also some releases specific to Denmark that contained bonuses. Why the general EU issue was never given the bonus treatment even though it was re-issued several times seems a little odd to me.
Lee Wrecker 15th Jun 2021		CD Album Ultravox - Best Of The 80's (2000)	Best of the 80's? "Slow Motion" was released in 1978 with John Foxx on vox. The rest is all the Midge Ure on guitar and vox 80's incarnation of the band but how "Slow Motion" ended up on the Disky Disc is a little odd.
Lee Wrecker 10th Jun 2021		CD Album Hothouse Flowers - Home (1990)	Hello gregs 45s, you are right to relieve yourself from the stress of the International Affair as you call it but unfortunately we haven't changed any guidelines or processes involving the entry system for country since they were introduced. So the guidelines are still designed to create and promote the creation of international releases. You are right in saying that many on the site do not follow this practise and also have agreed to not use the category due to the effect it has on national catalogues and difficulty it creates actually finding products on the site. However, nothing has actually officially changed in this space and the guidelines are still the same as when CD Albums world was launched. The fact that you think something has changed intrigues me because it seems that a lot of EU based site users and MODS seem to think similarly. As you know this issue will completely obliterate the national catalogues of many countries outside the USA and EU as most modern global product is made in either of these two jurisdictions and shipped around the world as the major music corporations see fit. Prior to this smaller nations had their own means of production and produced nationally made versions of the same CDs (often with the same cat#, barcode etc.) and these are easier to differentiate due the different places of manufacture and also secondary rights or publishing details may also vary from country to country. This CD for instance is manufactured and distributed by Polygram in Canada and Polydor in Australia but all have the same cat#, barcode and primary label. Internationalising products also renders the USA and EU catalogues useless as these releases also disappear in the international catch all that we have created when we link them another release from a different country with the same details. These problems have existed since day one with the international category and persist to this day. The Mods have promised many times to address the issue but we are still waiting for some direction from them. It is well past time for a response and site spirals out of control while we wait. This will not be resolved by "bangin' them and they'll sort themselves out" as is often said. In fact, currently that tactic is making things worse with everyone essentially choosing their own criteria for entries and guidelines generally being ignored. What we now have is a lot of stuff on a site where the data is not consistently entered, monitored or regulated. Are trying to emulate a government?
Lee Wrecker 7th Jun 2021		CD Album John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (2021)	Now just the rest of the Universal International Music B.V. catalogue to go. That won't take long will it?
Lee Wrecker 5th Jun 2021		CD Album John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (2021)	Hello Magic, seems no images are forthcoming. However, if you look at this entry from Discogs you will see the cover which has a sticker that indicates that this a product of Universal International Music B.V.. This applies all current EU pressed Beatles and related Calderstone Productions releases. You should all know this by now and it is a little tedious having to point it out whenever any of these releases surface. Anything put out with Universal International Music B.V. on it is international. It is a simple as that. Emoticons with perplexed faces go here.
Lee Wrecker 6th May 2021		CD Album Bob Dylan - Beyond Here Lies Nothin' (2011)	Definitely two different barcodes and here's a shot of this variation. The other, of course is already entered and linked below. The barcodes a little more different than you have indicated one ends in 628 and the other in 727.
Lee Wrecker 24th Apr 2021		CD Album Yes - The Yes Album (1988)	Quad5point1, your story of where and when this was bought would indicate that this particular release is an EU release. Having a closer look at this disc with the USA cat# SD 19131-2 reveals that it was manufactured in Germany on the same glass. So it would seem the plant in Germany produced two different labels with specifically cat#s one for the EU and for the USA on the same glass. Two me that indicates that your copy should be listed as an EU release and discs with the SD 19131-2 cat# are for the USA market. Perhaps, having both cat#s on the spine of the inlay is just for the sake of convenience in the art department or in case Warner's wanted or needed to ship the entire package either way. Regardless of that it seems that the discs themselves would have had different cat#s and therefore be for their respective markets. I'd list this as an EU release on the strength of that. What do you think PhilMH?
Lee Wrecker 24th Apr 2021		CD Album Yes - The Yes Album (1988)	Where did you buy it Quad5point1? Don't say in a shop but did you buy it in a retail store new in Belfast or pick it up second hand? Anyway, Phil's looking closest to being on the money with this one so far. If you could check the links (below) and see if there any more similarities differences or identifying marks to the ones listed there we may be able to drill down deeper. I knew longboxes would be a headache one day. It's a curious one that's for sure.
Lee Wrecker 24th Apr 2021		CD Album John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (2021)	This too is international . It would be great if people in the EU could check on the link to the Australian retailer I provide nearly every time to prove things are international before I have to do it for every release.
Lee Wrecker 24th Apr 2021		CD Album John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (2021)	International but one day people will learn.
Lee Wrecker 24th Apr 2021		CD Album John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (2021)	Guess what! International again. Released on the 23rd in Australia. No more 6 month delay like the 70's for us!
Lee Wrecker 23rd Apr 2021		CD Album Yes - The Yes Album (1988)	Quad5point1, this one is a very difficult release to place. It seems the cat# 240 106 / 240-106 was first released in the EU in 1986. This release has a different label design to the entry posted here but the same inlay and spine cat# configuration showing both EU and USA cat#s. There are also multiple 1987 releases from both the EU and USA that are manufactured in either domain (USA disc manufactured in Japan but cover printed in USA) with the same inlay that has two cat#s for both domains. My feelings are that this disc only presents as international due to the inlay artwork which in reality was not how the disc was either manufactured or distributed. The other site also has a 1989 version with a barcode listed as it is entered here and being available across both domains but I'm skeptical about that also. My preference on these would be to list each one separately and ignore the errant cat# on the artwork on the spine. In addition there is no barcode 075678153020 on the packaging of this CD and it apparently first appeared on the USA 1989 release with cat# SD 19131-2. So the barcode should be removed, date should be changed to 1986 or 1987 (take your pick), cat# should be changed to 240-106 / 240 106 and country changed to EU. See links to the other site for verification. CD Albums world is always full of surprises Who said "the simple things you see are all complicated". Well, I think we can all agree on that yes, yes, yes.
Lee Wrecker 21st Apr 2021		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (2019)	Magic, I have previously provided links to Universal's Australian website and local retailers that list all of these types of releases as available in Australia. Why is more proof needed? Why do moderators change one entry when clearly a whole series are affected (i.e. 1 CD, 2 CD, 2 CD + Blu-ray, LP Picture Disc, LP, 2 LP, 3 LP Deluxe)? I have to submit corrections to each an every one. BORING! Now you're querying the veracity of my claims which have been backed up by PhilMH and you have been supplied links to multiple sites for evidence. Follow the link in the previous sentence to see this listed at $23.99 (mid-price) at Australia's largest shop front music retailer. Shall I go down there and take photos of all their stock? Is that the level of proof required. Not only are these products available here they are in fact released on the same day so need for adding different release dates in the notes or anything tedious like that. Furthermore, these issues are not restricted to the Beatles catalogue they exist across the entire Universal Music Group International catalogue and that's the real problem. It's a systemic mistake we are making across the board and I can't go through the entire Universal Music Group International catalogue and put in corrections for every item. The Beatles catalogue just happens to be in the mix and these issues are not confined to that alone. So advice from another Mod that is familiar with Beatles catalogue is irrelevant in these cases as the issue spans the entire catalogue of UMG and not just one artist. It's a great disappointment to me that my research and evidence counts for naught on these issues.
Lee Wrecker 21st Apr 2021		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (2019)	My mistake Magic, and you are right. I just had so many EU listings open in separate tabs and presumed this was one of them. There is also a Mexican release which is outside the international category too. However, all of the EU listings are international and that is true of any Universal Music Group International, Calderstone productions. Apologies for the mistake - I'm a human with all attendant flaws.
Lee Wrecker 20th Apr 2021		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (2019)	International. The other site lists no country but all Universal Music Group International, Calderstone productions are international.
Lee Wrecker 20th Apr 2021		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (2019)	This is international.
Lee Wrecker 20th Apr 2021		CD Album Petula Clark - Kaléïdoscope (2003)	Magic, it would seem that there are only four versions of this CD. All of them seem to be released for specific EU countries the UK, Germany and two releases from France. This French release has a different barcode to the other listing which has the barcode 5050749230829 (perhaps one is a repress). The UK release has the barcode 5050159016921 and the German release 5050159 009428 which indicates each release is country specific within the EU. On that basis separate entries for each of the four national versions would be required. Quite an unusual release in that regard.
Lee Wrecker 10th Apr 2021		CD Album Led Zeppelin - The Soundtrack From The Film: The Song Remains The Same (1993)	PhilMH I agree with both your suggestions, leave this as an EU release and scrapping the guide and starting again. Entrusting faith in the wisdom of the crowd and hoping that banging them in and sorting them later will work is wishful thinking at best. Now, make no mistake it is not easy territory to navigate but what we're doing is just making a mess and causing needless friction between people that love the site. Even though I have no friends here on the site anymore specifically due to this issue I will not simply lay down and accept that way we deal with international releases is in any way adequate or appropriate. The banter and good will that used to exist between me you, Gregs45s, leonard, Magic Marmalade, Roger and the VJ and other MODS has all disappeared. That's what the current guidelines have done, fragmented a team that could have come up solutions and adapted to things on the fly. Discogs can't deal with this either but we were better placed a few years ago but now we've lost the advantage by going the wrong way and piling stuff in without any real scrutiny. We can still sort it out but it would have been much easier when there was less than 100 000 things to deal with. Plough on or re-group is the question. My feeling is re-group and try again taking on board what we have learned so far.
Lee Wrecker 7th Apr 2021		CD Album Led Zeppelin - The Soundtrack From The Film: The Song Remains The Same (1993)	I believe that Careys Argentinian release should be listed as from Argentina. It certainly was not manufactured (or put together as the case may be) with the intention of release to other countries outside Argentina. It does not bear the Warner Music International label code LC 14666 and Warner Music Argentina S.A. is a national sub-label of Warner Music International along with many other national sub-labels. Some of these are also South American so Carey's CD is not likely to have been distributed or sold outside of Argentina. Therefore, it was clearly released specifically for the Argentinian market and should be listed as such. The criteria we use in determining international releases on 45 Worlds such as matching cat#s, label and barcode do not serve us well in cases like this. The problem stems from the multi-national arms of global music corporations applying the same cat#s, labels and barcodes to all of their sub-labels (cheaper by the dozen?, or just more convenient?) but this disguises the fact that national releases were distributed to specific markets. This all changed in 1999 when Warner's, BMG Rights Management and Universal merged and streamlined operations to become truly global. That is when the role of the sub-labels was reduced to distributing the same identical (usually made in the EU) product to all of the national markets simultaneously. As Careys CD is a pre 1999 release and particular to a market I think it should be listed as Argentinian regardless of how it matches our controversial and inadequate international classification system. I'm not saying that because this particular CD doesn't match our criteria well it's because same problem applies to the entire Warner's catalogue.
Lee Wrecker 4th Apr 2021		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (2019)	Magic, in these matters the wisdom of the group could best be described as the wisdom of some of the group that are not in possession of all the facts. I don't know why the Mods that approve contributions when they are entered are not aware of this and alter the entry accordingly. Surely after four years of extended forums on the matter the Mods at least should be fully cognisant of the fact that most modern EU releases in all formats are available outside the EU and not just in Australia but most of South America, as well as parts of Asia and Africa. The incremental changes that occur due my periodic corrections on these errors are only a drop in the ocean compared to the number of items that need to be corrected in the same manner. I see in the "See Also" at the bottom of the page that now we have this one listed as international the 2CD version is listed as an EU release. The vinyl version is also listed as an EU release. Incremental changes coming from the wisdom of the group will not be enough to overcome this problem. I, for instance, have practically given up and just limit myself one correction or comment a week. Here's last week's comment and evidence that was completely ignored by the group and Mods. I haven't "popped a sprocket" but my efforts in attempting to correct these mistakes doesn't improve the site in reality. The links provided above show that they in fact make the site more disorganised with some of the same release listed as international and others listed as EU. Does this make me happy - not really.
Lee Wrecker 3rd Apr 2021		CD Album The Beatles - Abbey Road (2019)	This exact same product is and always was available in Australia. See link for proof positive. So this should be listed as international or as both Australian and an EU release. If I adopted the practise of EU site users all of these types of EU produced global releases would be listed as Australian which is true yet not quite correct. When will uploaders from the EU get wise to the fact that most of the product they see and buy is available world-wide? Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 15th Mar 2021		CD Album Iggy Pop - Lust For Life (1990)	Label here should be Virgin America the same as the linked Australian edition.
Lee Wrecker 7th Mar 2021		CD Album Björk - Post (1995)	The label formerly known as Indian. Why didn't they change it to Polydependent as it sounds more inclusive to me and is much more realistic given the symbiosis of the two labels.
Lee Wrecker 26th Feb 2021		CD Album Little Milton - Walkin' The Back Streets (1994)	Personally, I like my collection devoid of stickers of any kind so I would have removed many of these in my day. Now, I wish I hadn't for tracking and cataloguing purposes but that's the way it goes. Festival was sold to Warner's 2005 which put an end to the practise full time and Festival as you point out gave us identical EU releases from the mid-90's up till then you would still see things with the distinctive D prefix either as a sticker on an import or cat# on an Australian made CD. It's a shame the big four, Universal, Sony, BMG and Warner's make nearly everything and don't care how they manufacture, distribute, market and most importantly catalogue their products.
Lee Wrecker 26th Feb 2021		CD Album Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick : 40th Anniversary Set (2012)	Released in the USA, Canada and EU. What makes this a UK specific release? Is it because it was released a day before everywhere else in the UK whereas it was released on the 6th everywhere else? Even the owners this on this site are not all from the UK and I'm sure they'll be more from further afield turning up too. See here for more on this international set.
Lee Wrecker 26th Feb 2021		CD Album Little Milton - Walkin' The Back Streets (1994)	Hmm... and this kind of Festival sticker thing happened more than once didn't it Phil?
Lee Wrecker 18th Feb 2021		CD Album The Beatles - On The Air, In The Studio And In Concert (2017)	Quad5point1 that's interesting and makes me think that our barcode entry window only accepts numbers. Code 39 and 128 barcodes do have the capacity to incorporate capital letters so we may have to adapt to this somehow.
Lee Wrecker 18th Feb 2021		CD Album Radiohead - OK Computer (1997)	Are you ready for a hair-splitting good time! Well, get on board. The Australian release supplied here by The_Vinyl_Junkie does not have the secondary cat# CDNODATA 02 as the UK and Dutch entries here do. This cat# CDNODATA 02 is also listed as part of the cat# at the top of the page. The Australian issue has a different secondary cat# 8552292 which is used for ordering the product locally. Now, just so everyone knows, this is not unusual and in fact is a feature of Australian pressed Parlophone and EMI releases. The secondary ordering cat# here might also look familiar to UK catters as a very similar cat# often appears on EU/UK manufactured covers. However, even if the same numbers are used, which is sometimes the case the UK/EU produced covers will have a space between the third and fourth numbers i.e 000 0000 whereas the Australian equivalent will always be a single string 0000000. The point being that an Australian release is always distinguishable by its unique secondary cat# even if the numbers are in fact the same as an EU/UK release. Are you having fun yet? In terms of listing things in a database as we are on this site these differences however small they may seem are important because the correct product should be able to found by entering the global cat# 7243 8 55229 2 5 or the local secondary cat# CDNODATA 02 which is the case with this release. However, if I enter the Australian ordering cat# 8552292 nothing appears. Oooh, it's getting exciting isn't it? So, we need to either add the Australian secondary cat# 8552292 to this listing or create an Australian entry. Now, if you remember my earlier point you'll now realise that if we add that cat# we'll also have to do it for every EMI and Parlophone CD release because the Australian made issues will all be unique even if the same numbers secondary cat#s are being used. I've seen international CDs split for less, USA long box numbers on an international CD anyone? UK cat# in the price code box on an EU release? If these are considered valid reasons to split CDs surely a uniquely Australian secondary cat# across the entire EMI catalogue would also qualify. Furthermore, if the all the MODS were aware of this they could easily identify an Australian CD straight away. My view is that all Australian CDs that exhibit this unique secondary cat# should be listed as Australian. I might add that it only ever appears on CDs that are actually made in Australia. Maybe with Swindon glass but stamped here. Sometimes, even with an EU manufactured disc but the cover printed in Australia. Eeeek! I'll stop there and won't even go to the current situation where we actually get the same identical product. Apologies for the promises of fun and entertainment but what do people think?

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