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Member	Item		Review/Comment
Lee Wrecker 20th Jul 2018		CD Album David Bowie - 1.Outside (The Nathan Adler Diaries: A Hyper Cycle) (1995)	I'm not sure about the label here is it BMG or RCA? Or is it perhaps both? There are a few criteria used on the site that would tend towards RCA in preference to BMG as the correct label for this one. If PhilMH is a around - I bet you could tell what was what in 2 seconds flat. Anyway, I'm a bit curious to see how this one works out. By the way the other site lists this as an RCA release Linked to other copies and set date of release for 25 Sept. as per the other site.
Lee Wrecker 14th Jul 2018		CD Album Mogwai - Come On Die Young (1999)	Another example of the weird international ways of the independent labels. This was the Australian release and I bought it (cheap, mind you) at a national electrical goods chain-store. Just goes to show that the independents are generally much better at getting the very same (identical) product distributed globally than the majors. The listing here is correct though because it falls into the category of the "independent label rule". That is independent labels such as this and the likes of Ace, Domino, Creation, Sub-Pop (depends sometimes) and Castleface be listed as from the country of origin of the label rather than the market it is released in. It would be nice if someone wrote these quirks of the site down somewhere and put them in an obvious place.
Lee Wrecker 14th Jul 2018		CD Album Various Artists - The Best Anthems...Ever! (1999)	Yeh, where is "Advance Australia Fair"? Or is that on the worst anthems ever?
Lee Wrecker 12th Jul 2018		CD Album The Pirates - The Very Best Of Rock's Original Hellraisers (In The Studio And On The Road) (2000)	One of the best rock 'n' roll acts ever! Unfortunately their original material was very weak in comparison to the covers they stomped all over. "Gibson Martin Fender" and "Don't Munchen It" are sub par at best and only two other originals made it on to this CD. For my money the studio "Diggin' My Potatoes", Castin' My Spell On You, My Babe and the studio version of "Peter Gunn" would improve this CD if you dropped all the originals except "Going Back Home". Now I'm off "Cap In Hand" is this the worst Pirates song ever or is it "Just Another Party"?.
Lee Wrecker 9th Jul 2018		CD Album Gorillaz - Demon Days (2005)	@gregs45s Well, I agree entirely with your summation and think that these should be split and Australian and EU entries should be created. Now, I'm not sure what happened after Warners got EMI and Parlophone (except the Beatles) but throughout this period when EMI controlled Parlophone the Australian sec. cat #s were all a single string with no spacing. So all Australian Parlophone CDs will need to be separated up to the Warners takeover in 2013 because they will all have this characteristic. Should I send a correction?
Lee Wrecker 9th Jul 2018		CD Album Offspring - Smash (1994)	Hi Jasper, Disky is an anomaly when it comes to independent labels. Early in its existence the label was like most other independents and operated solely out of Holland but after a few years they did set up in other countries. You will probably have an Australian made Disky CD in your collection somewhere like I have. Even so the label is still generally perceived to be an independent Dutch label. The point I was trying to make though is that we treat the major labels and the independent labels differently on the site and usually list independents as from where-ever the parent co. is based. The science behind how this is done is of course arbitrary and sometimes confounding. The XL label is a difficult one to place with its global production and distribution network plus a huge artist roster (basically a cartel of other independent labels such as Third Man et al) . So to me the XL label like Disky straddles the divide because they actually make CDs in different countries for specific markets. All in all though you have to be an idiot savant with an encyclopedic knowledge of record labels and have the powers of Nostradamus to enter a CD. Good luck everyone.
Lee Wrecker 9th Jul 2018		CD Album Colin Hay - Man @ Work (2003)	Quad5point1 I would have gone for the title Man @ Work as that is how it is written on the cover, spine and CD. Let's see what others think.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jul 2018		CD Album Offspring - Smash (1994)	Jasper, in relation to your question on the international status of this CD I'd like to make a few observations. It seems that in general in CD World smaller independent labels such as this one Epitaph are better at getting a specific individual copy of a CD out to the global market than the major production houses (economies of scale?). This CD is a case in point but here on 45 Worlds we also differentiate between independent and major production houses. As a rule independent labels such as Rough Trade, Domino, XL, VP, Disky, Music On Vinyl and this label Epitaph are listed as from where the parent company is established. In this case and others like it, the Country of USA reflects the ownership of the label rather than the actual distribution of the CD. Does that make any sense Jasper? That is just my loose layman's, site-user explanation a MOD may tell you a different story but I think that's the gist of why anything on an independent label cannot be made international under any circumstances. A bit of a shame really as the independents do a much better job of actually making a real international product (one issue sold globally).
Lee Wrecker 8th Jul 2018		CD Album Gorillaz - Demon Days (2005)	A question for Leonard or anyone else that's interested. Is the current feeling on the site that releases such as this - where local (national) issues of CDs not intended for export or other markets be listed as from that market. For instance the Australian copy of this CD has the same details (sec. cat#s are different though) as the EU release but clearly neither was intended for the other market and therefore they should be entered as from where their intended markets are namely, Australia and Europe. Or am I barking up the wrong tree as usual. I kind of like the idea proposed above and have seen that some MODS are starting to move in this direction too. It just makes more sense when it comes to posting an item in CD World and collating a relevant database. Furthermore it is much easier and a lot less confusing. Hopefully, we can get some consent for what seems to be a more logical way to go about things in the multi-national world we live in.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jul 2018		CD Album Various Artists - Muriel's Wedding (1995)	At last I've managed to link this to the differently titled Australian original issue which may I suggest should be made the primary release for this CD. Must have been some gremlins on the site yesterday that stopped me from completing this task. All good now though.
Lee Wrecker 8th Jul 2018		CD Album Stereophonics - Just Enough Education To Perform (2001)	According to this site 09 Apr 2001 was when this was released. The date given here 98 Apr is obviously a mistake. Correction sent.
Lee Wrecker 7th Jul 2018		CD Album Offspring - Smash (1994)	...and the cat # 86432-2 should in fact be spaced like the other entry 86432 - 2 and that's why there's two of same release. The label and barcode also match. Time to merge these entries I feel. [Mod: merged]
Lee Wrecker 6th Jul 2018		CD Album Various Artists - Muriel's Wedding (1995)	Weird scenes inside the goldmine my last comment appeared three time for some reason? Two of them now deleted but something is going on and it's not quite right.
Lee Wrecker 6th Jul 2018		CD Album Various Artists - Muriel's Wedding (1995)	Tried to link this to the Australian original release but it won't work either way. I'll try again later.
Lee Wrecker 5th Jul 2018		CD Album David Bowie - Best Of Bowie (2002)	I'll bet the UK sec. cat # here 539 8212 would be written as 5398212 on the Australian release mind you this is just a hunch. Just checked here and I was right . So differing sec#s should be enough to separate this from the Australian issue when it arrives here.
Lee Wrecker 25th Jun 2018		CD Album They Might Be Giants - Flood (1990)	Most likely the Australian release too (that's where I bought it) but I like it listed as EU. What do others think?
Lee Wrecker 25th Jun 2018		CD Album k.d. lang - Shadowland (1988)	Owned this one and linked to USA edition. Thanks Leonard.
Lee Wrecker 25th Jun 2018		CD Album k.d. lang - Shadowland (1988)	So should we change this to Australian as well? No US release to compare too but it has the same details but neither were intended to be sold in both markets. So is this another one for new separation rule or not?
Lee Wrecker 25th Jun 2018		CD Album Basement Jaxx - The Singles (2005)	...and here's another one. I suppose if this and this White Stripes CD are the same then they will need to be brought in line with this Simply Red CD. Or are we going to keep both methods of entry just to confuse everyone?
Lee Wrecker 25th Jun 2018		CD Album Simply Red - Greatest Hits (1996)	Thanks to all for sorting this out and making this entry what seems to be a sensible solution in regard to countries or international status. Does this method now apply across the board because if so I've got some backtracking to do. Is this the same as this CD in that the Australian release is for local distribution only? It makes more sense to me to separate these but I have entered plenty of these as international from memory and will need to check them all. More importantly who's going to go over the whole site for these mistakes that are not quantifiable by the current guidelines? Not I for one.
Lee Wrecker 16th Jun 2018		CD Album Eisley - Selections From "Room Noises" (2004)	This is a Promo CD Single by the look of it. Four songs with a total running time 13min 32sec. The single was never actually released though by the look of it. I have had a cursory look around the net..
Lee Wrecker 10th Jun 2018		CD Album Simply Red - Greatest Hits (1996)	Malaysia and Brazil will confuse things further here but I'm with Greg when he says ""DE-INTERNATIONALERZISE";),let's go back to entering the CD under the country it was intended for release in,"International" serves no purpose whatsoever,it tells us nothing,and even if a CD was issued in different countries,i.e,as in the stock European releases being shipped over to Australia and sold there,then let's just add that fact to the notes,don't go making it "International"it just confuses matters." Can the MODS at least agree to this as a fallback position then at least we'd have something a little more workable at the coalface. Separate issues EU, Australia and Brazil and Malaysia if need be would be my preference also.
Lee Wrecker 1st Jun 2018		CD Album David Bowie - ★ (Blackstar) (2016)	Why is this listed as an EU release? This probably the most international CD ever made. The barcode listed here is wrong and should in fact be 888751738621 the same as the USA release. Now when the USA and UK cat#s and barcodes align you know it's an international release. The fact that this album has been entered incorrectly is proof our system is shit. This album was released with these details in China, Italy, Colombia, Malaysia, Mexico, Argentina, Hong Kong, India, Brazil, Taiwan, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, Germany and Italy. There's probably more but I think the point has been made. Does anybody check this stuff? It should not take more than one entry from at least two different countries to correctly enter a CD regardless of whether we think it's international or not. Surely, we should be able to enter an album correctly on the first attempt! If site users are not expected to know whether CDs are international then the onus must have to be on the MODS to check when they approve an entry. This entry is a classic example of what a joke our system is. Strangely though this system of CD entry seems to be supported by a lot of EU site members that, in the main, can't be bothered to enter their own CDs correctly. I'm sick of sending corrections to make EU releases international and it seems EU site members are completely oblivious to the distribution networks that their products are directly a part of or the origin of product details for. Now if the MODS can't be bothered checking this stuff on approval of an entry you really have to ask what is the point of the category other than to mess up the site and confuse site users. Mission accomplished on that score unfortunately. Correction on barcode and country listing sent, rant over for the week. Next week the topic will be WTF more incorrectly listed EU made CDs.
Lee Wrecker 31st May 2018		CD Album Barnabys - Delightful Browns (1993)	Yer, but how far does it go?
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2018		CD Album The Clash - The Story Of The Clash Volume 1 (1991)	rocket666 CBS and Columbia are different labels and that would mean your CD warrants a separate entry. Sony is a bit cavalier in interchanging the between their CBS and Columbia imprints and the Dylan catalogue would be a good example of that but for all intents and purposes they are separate labels..
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2018		CD Album Belinda Carlisle - Heaven On Earth (1987)	Just go straight to international, Europeans. Your category is dead in the water, start with international and work backwards from now on would be my advice. This would have been the Australian release as well. A lot of Austrian made discs landed on our shores during the early days of CDs.
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2018		CD Album Simply Red - Greatest Hits (1996)	Perhaps we should correct the Cat# to be 0630-16552-2 as it appears here and on the EU disc itself before we compare? Oh, look a perfect match! Just how is it "possible to get rid of the dreaded International category" leonard? Many of us have tried to put a reasonable case but it always falls into the too hard basket and nothing gets done at all. You may as well get rid of the EU classification is my advice and just go straight to international because nearly everything made in the EU was released somewhere else. If we go by the guidelines all we'll be left with is independent national releases of local artists, international, USA and Japan 90% (or thereabouts) of CDs will fall into these categories. To get rid of the problem the guidelines to change and the MODS need to have some sort of consistent approach rather everyone else developing their standards for entering CDs which is the case now. No-one checks if anything is international when it goes in and whenever something needs to change there's usually a ridiculous amount of debate because the site has no real policy. What has happened is most of have ended up ignoring the category all together and go by the data on the CDs. Jasper, if he wished, could have entered this as an Australian CD and no-one would have noticed as there are no checks and balances in place for international releases at the MODDING stage. If there are there is no evidence of them ever being used. This is mainly because the idea itself is not sound or logical so most people just enter things the way they want. Problems seem to occur when a USA or EU release needs to made international or is asked to be made international from outside those areas. Then some sort of unholy war breaks out that involves sec. cat#, publishers, distributors, price codes, rights associations and the most minute of differences are used to defend the regionality (I made that word up) of a CD. It needs to stop and it is clear most site users prefer some method of identifying where their CD is from that doesn't involve classifying it as international. The category is an ill-determined fabrication that is peculiar to this site and does not reflect reality at all.
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2018		CD Album David Bowie - Heroes (1999)	This was the Australian, Argentinian and Canadian release also. Guess what - international.
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2018		CD Album The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (1988)	Australian issue too! I'm getting sick of this or do you want me to continue and turn 60 or per cent of what's on this part of the site into international releases?? The result would be a useless database in my opinion.
Lee Wrecker 13th May 2018		CD Album Echo And The Bunnymen - Ocean Rain (2003)	Australian issue also!

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