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| 29th Jun 2015, 11:58 PM | #41 REPORT | |
 | Steptoe Keep your glow on Member since Sep 2011 995 Points | As chance would have it, i'm working my way through a pile of cassettes and putting them up on Tape Media World and i've found that I have a few Fame issues that i will put up tomorrow with images The Undertones 'Cher O'Bowlies' : TC-FA 3226 (clear cassette shell) Buzzcocks 'Love Bites' : TC-FA 3174 (creamy yellow shell) unfortunately, like the LP's there is nothing in the inners to give a release date, although someone on Discogs has put a 1987 reissue date on the Buzzcocks one. |
| 30th Jun 2015, 12:34 AM | #42 REPORT | |
 | mlgh224 SUBS Member since Jan 2013 1886 Points Moderator | Do you know if the gaining of the extra digits coincides with the addition of barcodes, and if it's related? Kate Bush - Lionheart has one and i've recently added it to the entry. Unfortunately a lot of barcodes don't get entered here so it won't be easy to check if there are no good sleeve images. |
| 30th Jun 2015, 9:51 AM | #43 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | I think all the info we can gather is going to help put dates on these... It's like having a few missing pieces to a jigsaw: only when you put together what you can, do you see the shape the missing pieces make, and what kind of picture is on them, then you can start the process of looking for that kind of piece (As you then know what you're looking for) There's a couple of things that are already perplexing me: I've seen a lot of labels in the past couple of days, and most, even the later ones on the cat sequence, have the earliest light brown/red checked label design... so maybe Neil Forbes is right, and they were not released in chronological order, even though they may hae been designated cat numbers according to a pre-determined scheme. This will reveal itself as we go though. (Also wonder if the CD and possibly tape equivalents (with same cat No.s were released later than their vinyl counterparts). More to add to the list later today (More holes appearing in the sequence though). |
| 30th Jun 2015, 12:17 PM | #44 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | well, looks like there may be something in my previous calculation of around 256 or so discs... ...around this cat number, things start getting very, very strange... EMI label uses the Fame cat number intermittently with Fame branded issues, some seem only to be available on cassette or CD about here, and there is a very close link with Capitol Records, who earlier on are the only ones who insist on having their labels on the Fame discs 41 3100 1 or so (Beatles solo cluster), but don't appear again till later, around 3217-18, when all Fame issues have original label reproductions (or picture type labels) under Fame branding. I've been getting a little cross chatter here and there with other labels (but that's just down to search engine coincidences I think). To add to the craziness, Hawkwind: Masters of The Universe, appears twice! firstly at FA 3008, which is a straight up reissue of the original, but again at FA 3220, same band, and title, but not the same album... this later is a compilation! ...and, they have the same cover art!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This happens again with Motorhead: On Parole FA 3009, and FA 3251 (Same album this time, so a Fame reissue of a Fame reissue!!!) And finally, Steve Miller Band: Sailor FA 41 3085 1, appears again as FA 3254. Completely and utterly bonkers. Oh, and to add to the fun, Deep Purple: Deepest Purple FA 3239 has Harvest Black and Silver reissue labels, so watch out for that one. I think a few of these Fame issues may be quite valuable.. some because they are just in demand due to originals being super expensive themselves: Floyd : Piper, and Saucerful, etc., others just plain rare (although if anyone wants them is another matter).... ... but especially a group of four consecutive Iron Maiden issues FA 3244 -FA 3247, which have some quite healthy price tags attached to them where I've seen them for sale. As I said around the 256 mark and after, it moves more to cassettes and CDs, so just going to work on what I have for the moment, before going any further. |
| 30th Jun 2015, 12:42 PM | #45 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | 41 3100 1 Paul McCartney – McCartney 41 3101 1 Wings – Wildlife 41 3102 1 John Lennon – Plastic Ono Band 41 3103 1 Kraftwerk – Radio Activity 41 3104 1 UFO – Force It 41 3105 1 ? 41 3106 1 ? 41 3107 1 Don McLean – Tapestry 41 3108 1 Japan – Adolescent Sex 41 3109 1 Thompson Twins – Set 41 3110 1 The Animals – Animal Tracks 41 3111 1 Hot Chocolate – Class 41 3112 1 Focus – Greatest Hits 41 3113 1 Gerry Rafferty - Sleepwalking 41 3114 1 Smokie – Greatest Hits 41 3115 1 Fun Boy Three - Fun Boy Three 41 3116 1 Specials – Specials 41 3117 1 Bob Seger – Beautiful Loser 41 3118 1 Kraftwerk – The Man Machine 41 3119 1 Gerry Rafferty – City To City 41 3120 1 ? 41 3121 1 Iron Maiden – Iron Maiden 41 3122 1 Iron Maiden – Killers 41 3123 1 Various Artists – Heavy Duty 41 3124 1 The Yardbirds – Little Games 41 3125 1 Jeff Beck (Featuring Rod Stewart) – The Best Of Jeff Beck 41 3126 1 Scorpions – Blackout 41 3127 1 Bob Marley & The Wailers – Rasta Revolution 41 3128 1 ? 41 3129 1 Thompson Twins – Quick Step And Side Kick 41 3130 1 Kim Wilde – Select 41 3131 1 The Stranglers – The Raven 41 3132 1 Deep Purple – 24 Carat Purple 41 3133 1 Hawkwind – The Mountain Grill 41 3134 1 Whitesnake – Ready An' Willing 41 3135 1 Cockney Rebel – The Psychomodo 41 3136 1 Japan – Assemblage 41 3137 1 Judas Priest – Rocka Rolla 41 3138 1 ? 41 3139 1 Peter Tosh – Bush Doctor 41 3140 1 ? 41 3141 1 Tina Turner – Acid Queen 41 3142 1 Marillion – Real To Reel 41 3143 1 Saxon – Wheels Of Steel 41 3144 1 Pink Floyd – A Collection Of Great Dance Songs 41 3145 1 The Undertones – Hypnotised 41 3146 1 Kim Carnes – Mistaken Identity 41 3147 1 Gerry Rafferty – Night Owl 41 3148 1 Cliff Richard – I'm No Hero 41 3149 1 The Original Pistols – The Original Pistols Live 41 3150 1 Meat Loaf - Bad Attitude Edited by Magic Marmalade on 7th Jul 2015, 6:26 PM |
| 30th Jun 2015, 1:31 PM | #46 REPORT | |
 | Neil Forbes Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
41 3100 1 Paul McCartney – McCartney
41 3101 1 Wings – Wildlife 41 3102 1 John Lennon – Plastic Ono Band 41 3103 1 Kraftwerk – Radio Activity 41 3104 1 UFO – Force It 41 3105 1 ? 41 3106 1 ? 41 3107 1 Don McLean – Tapestry 41 3108 1 Japan – Adolescent Sex 41 3109 1 Thompson Twins – Set 41 3110 1 The Animals – Animal Tracks 41 3111 1 Hot Chocolate – Class 41 3112 1 Focus – Greatest Hits 41 3113 1 ? 41 3114 1 Smokie – Greatest Hits 41 3115 1 ? 41 3116 1 Specials – Specials 41 3117 1 Bob Seger – Beautiful Loser 41 3118 1 Kraftwerk – The Man Machine 41 3119 1 Gerry Rafferty – City To City 41 3120 1 ? 41 3121 1 Iron Maiden – Iron Maiden 41 3122 1 Iron Maiden – Killers 41 3123 1 Various Artists – Heavy Duty 41 3124 1 The Yardbirds – Little Games 41 3125 1 Jeff Beck (Featuring Rod Stewart) – The Best Of Jeff Beck 41 3126 1 Scorpions – Blackout 41 3127 1 Bob Marley & The Wailers – Rasta Revolution 41 3128 1 ? 41 3129 1 Thompson Twins – Quick Step And Side Kick 41 3130 1 Kim Wilde – Select 41 3131 1 The Stranglers – The Raven 41 3132 1 Deep Purple – 24 Carat Purple 41 3133 1 Hawkwind – The Mountain Grill 41 3134 1 Whitesnake – Ready An' Willing 41 3135 1 Cockney Rebel – The Psychomodo 41 3136 1 Japan – Assemblage 41 3137 1 Judas Priest – Rocka Rolla 41 3138 1 ? 41 3139 1 Peter Tosh – Bush Doctor 41 3140 1 ? 41 3141 1 Tina Turner – Acid Queen 41 3142 1 Marillion – Real To Reel 41 3143 1 Saxon – Wheels Of Steel 41 3144 1 Pink Floyd – A Collection Of Great Dance Songs 41 3145 1 The Undertones – Hypnotised 41 3146 1 Kim Carnes – Mistaken Identity 41 3147 1 Gerry Rafferty – Night Owl 41 3148 1 Cliff Richard – I'm No Hero 41 3149 1 The Original Pistols – The Original Pistols Live 41 3150 1 ? |
| 30th Jun 2015, 1:50 PM | #47 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | I currently look like this chap (Minus the hair) [img][/img]  |
| 30th Jun 2015, 2:09 PM | #48 REPORT | |
| Neil Forbes Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
I currently look like this chap (Minus the hair)
[img][/img] Oh dear! MM, what have you done to yourself? AAAAaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!  |
| 30th Jun 2015, 2:12 PM | #49 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | 41 3151 1 Kraftwerk – Trans-Europe express 41 3152 1 The Ground Hogs – Thank Christ For The Bomb ?? 3153 ? ? –3154 Marc Bolan & T.Rex – Get It On –3155 Jeff Beck - Truth –3156 Jefferson Starship – Red Octopus –3157 Average White Band - AWB –3158 Deep Purple – Machine Head –3159 Cliff Richard – Wired For Sound –3160 Jimi Hendrix – Johnny B. Goode –3161 The Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Live –3162 Sky - Sky –3163 Pink Floyd – A Saucerful Of Secrets –3164 Lou Reed – New York Superstar –3165 Al Stewart – The Early Years –3166 Harry Nilsson – Nilsson Schmilsson –3167 Jefferson Airplane – The Worst Of Jefferson Airplane –3168 Vangelis - Beauborg –3169 The Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Next –3170 ? –3171 ? –3172 Barclay James Harvest – Baby James Harvest –3173 David Gilmour – About Face –3174 Buzzcocks – Love Bites –3175 Saxon – Denim And Leather –3176 Saxon – Strong Arm Of The Law –3177 Whitesnake - Saints & Sinners –3178 Iron Maiden – The Number Of The Beast –3179 Dr. Feelgood – Sneakin' Suspicion –3180 Frank Zappa – Ship Arriving –3181 Jaki Graham – Heaven Knows (This is on EMI – no Fame brand) –3182 Thomas Dolby – The Golden Age Of Wireless –3183 ? –3184 ? –3185 Duran Duran – Duran Duran –3186 Diana Ross – Why Do Fools Fall In Love? –3187 Talk Talk – The Party's Over –3188 The Undertones – The Undertones –3189 Dexy's Midnight Runners - Geno –3190 The Stranglers – No More Heroes –3191 Paul McCartney – McCartney II –3192 Hawkwind – X In Search Of Space –3193 Paul McCartney / Wings – Red Rose Speedway –3194 Lynard Skynard – Second Helping –3195 Sam Cooke – Wonderful World –3196 Marillion - Fugazi –3197 ? –3198 New Model Army – No Rest For The Wicked –3199 Buzzcocks – Another Music In A Different Kitchen –3200 Diana Ross – Swept Away Edited by Magic Marmalade on 7th Jul 2015, 6:28 PM |
| 30th Jun 2015, 2:43 PM | #50 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | –3201 W.A.S.P – W.A.S.P –3202 Maze Featuring Frankie Beverly – Maze Featuring Frankie Beverly –3203 Frank Zappa – The Man From Utopia –3204 Katrina And The Waves – Katrina And The Waves –3205 Duran Duran – Seven And The Ragged Tiger –3206 The Power Station – The Power Station --3207 Kate Bush – The Kick Inside --3208 The Stranglers – The Gospel According To The Meninblack --3209 Paul McCartney – Press To Play --3210 Paul McCartney – Tug Of War --3211 The George Thorogood Destroyers – Live --3212 Deep Purple – Singles A's And B's --3213 Wings – Venus And Mars --3214 Kim Wilde – Kim Wilde Somewhere around here (or a couple later maybe) the labels reproduce the orignal labels --3215 Stiff Little Fingers – Hanx! --3216 Stiff Little Fingers – Go For It --3217 Scorpions – Animal Magnetism --3218 W.A.S.P – The Last Command --3219 Whitesnake – Come An' Get It --3220 Hawkwind – Masters Of The Universe (Comp – See FA 3008) --3221 Ziggy Marley And The Melody Makers – The Best Of --3222 Canned Heat – On The Road Again --3223 Wings – London Town --3224 Scorpions – Love At First Sting --3225 Duran Duran – Arena --3226 The Undertones – The Cher O'Bowles – The Pick Of... --3227 ? --3228 ? --3229 Wings – Wings At The Speed Of Sound --3230 The Stranglers – The Collection 77 – 82 --3231 Talking Heads – True Stories --3232 ? --3233 ? --3234 ? --3235 Marillion – Script For A Jester's Tear --3236 Motorhead – Overkill --3237 New Model Army – The Ghost Of Cain --3238 W.A.S.P – Inside The Electric Circus --3239 Deep Purple – Deepest Purple --3240 ? --3241 Buzzcocks – Singles – Going Steady --3242 Megadeth – Peace Sells... But Who's Buying? --3243 Morrisey – Viva Hate --3244 Iron Maiden – Powerslave --3245 Iron Maiden – Piece Of Mind --3246 Iron Maiden – Somewhere In Time --3247 Iron Maiden – Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son --3248 ? --3249 W.A.S.P – Live... In The Raw --3250 Steve Miller Band – The Joker --3251 Motorhead – On Parole (also FA 3009) --3252 Great White – Once Bitten --3253 Al Stewart – Year Of The Cat --3254 Steve Miller Band – Sailor (Also FA 41 3085 1) --3255 The Neville Brothers – Uptown (Unsure about this EMI) --3256 Vixen – Vixen --3257 New Model Army – Thunder And Consolation --3258 Marillion – Misplaced Childhood And that's as far as I'm going for now, as the label seems essentially to disolve, some purely EMI labels, others only found on CD or Tape, and vinyl is uncertainty. |
| 30th Jun 2015, 2:50 PM | #51 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | Now I've got a scheme I'm going to apply dates with, to see if this throws up any patterns or anomalies. Essentially I'll begin by removing the titles from my saved list, and just apply original album release dates (original labels) to see if this has any determining factor, then I'll add "known" dates, and compare the two for discrepancies, agreement, or other oddness-es. Finally, I'll start a chart for label designs, and cross reference these (and the inner sleeve dates) with these applied sets of dates. Have faith brothers and sisters of the reissue label:  Fame, I'm confident a pattern will emerge, and the facts known! |
| 30th Jun 2015, 2:51 PM | #52 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | (just maybe not today) |
| 30th Jun 2015, 4:01 PM | #53 REPORT | |
| Neil Forbes Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me! Member since Dec 2014 252 Points |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
(just maybe not today)
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| 30th Jun 2015, 8:15 PM | #54 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | Oh dear lord, what a can of woims I've opened with this label! Just for fun, I thought I'd pick a title from the catalogue as a kind of case study, to see what kind of labels would be on it... I chose Pink Floyd's Piper at the gates of Dawn. and I've noticed something. What I (and I think we) have been thinking is that the earliest light brown with red grid is simply the early label... and indeed, I was initially pleased just to see this label on Piper... Then I noticed the Coloured Vinyl editions of it on Fame, so far a Red vinyl, Green Vinyl, and a Grey Vinyl (This last colour, along with a yellow vinyl is available on the two box Columbia label too)... But I noticed the "light brown" label wasn't "light brown", but actually white, with red grid. So I looked at other labels I previous thought were light brown, but turn out to be actually white, with red grid, along side other copies which do have light brown with red grid. The difference in these two labels in terms of tone, is muinute, and could easily be put down to a scanning difference, or trick of the light, but I am sure it is a separate label type now.... so where on earth that will end up fitting in the scheme, and what it does to the other label is anybody's guess at the moment! So we have a light brown with red grid (commonest type), white label with red grid, yellow label with red grid, plain light brown, a darker plain Brown, and then original label reproduction labels.... ... and I hadn't even thought about coloured vinyls (Please say there are no picture discs!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 30th Jun 2015, 8:33 PM | #55 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | Further perusal reveals a distinguishing feature of these white with red grid labels... they have the source label logo on them somewhere... and sense would say that these are precursors to the plain labels with source logos, before the complete shift to original label reproductions. (the earliest light brown with red grid have only Fame logo on, not source label) |
| 30th Jun 2015, 9:20 PM | #56 REPORT | |
| Steptoe Keep your glow on Member since Sep 2011 995 Points | Just to confuse things a bit more, the Kate Bush 'Lionheart' has the light brown with red grid but does have the EMI logo on it (down at the bottom) sorry MM  |
| 30th Jun 2015, 11:08 PM | #57 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator |  I'd like to meet whoever came up with the original label scheme and punch him on the nose! (The image of a collection of chimpanzees in a comittee room comes to mind when thinkng who oversaw this mess) Mind you, having thought a little more on the matter, more label variants could actually help matters by narrowing date ranges for individual copies of any given issue, as well as marking finer stages in the label's progression as a whole. I did wonder if Fame only issued albums initially released on their original labels before the foundation of the Fame label itself... but then I saw the Marillion entries, which apparently blows that idea out of the water. With regards the Kate Bush Lionheart... it could be there is a light brown, red grid label without the EMI box before this one, in which case, that's yet another, finer progression of the label design which could place it chronologically just before the white grid label, but just after the light brown grid -unboxed (Still with me?), though where the bright yellow grid unboxed label (my Floyd - Dance songs would fit then??) who knows! Or, it could simply be that since Fame is an EMI label, and Lionheart was originally an EMI release, they put their own logo on Fame reissues of their own stuff earlier (maybe from the off). - In this case, any other Fame reissues of original EMI releases would also have this box (so something else to check out. Woyms... cans of 'em I tell ye!!! |
| 1st Jul 2015, 10:25 AM | #58 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | I can vaguely recall the arrival of Fame. Yes, it is EMI, and until then their main budget label was mfp. In the early 1980s (synthesisers, New Romantics and all that) mfp was looking decidedly naff, with its "Hot Hits" and Mrs Mills-type legacy. I assumed then, and still do, that Fame was an attempt to launch a more respectable seeming label, and break from the image of mfp. As I understand, it was for re-issues of EMI material, and stuff they controlled like UK Motown. If there can be a budget label with street cred, then this was supposed to be it. |
| 1st Jul 2015, 12:48 PM | #59 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7198 Points Moderator |
TopPopper wrote:
I can vaguely recall the arrival of Fame. Yes, it is EMI, and until then their main budget label was mfp. In the early 1980s (synthesisers, New Romantics and all that) mfp was looking decidedly naff, with its "Hot Hits" and Mrs Mills-type legacy. I assumed then, and still do, that Fame was an attempt to launch a more respectable seeming label, and break from the image of mfp. As I understand, it was for re-issues of EMI material, and stuff they controlled like UK Motown. If there can be a budget label with street cred, then this was supposed to be it.
Wasn't it just the case that MFP was their budget label, and Fame was their "mid price" label? (Not certain) |
| 1st Jul 2015, 1:24 PM | #60 REPORT | |
 | jordansongs🍰 Member since Jan 2010 732 Points | One the main differences is that Fame stuck to the original packaging and didn't take it upon themselves to bastardize the sleeves like MFP did. |
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