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| 25th Jan 2015, 8:00 PM | #21 REPORT | |
 | Orbiting Cat Member since Jan 2008 1176 Points Administrator |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
Also... a lot of entries have two separate works on each side, with two different conductors, soloists and/or orchestras, and more than one soloist in one piece of music, can we add multiple soloists and conductors etc. option?
We're going to be looking at this again, to see if we can solve this problem. |
| 25th Jan 2015, 8:57 PM | #22 REPORT | |
 | Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 798 Points |
TheJudge wrote:
Just coming to entering some of the classical discs in D_T_F's stash (having put my own classical LPs in Vinyl Albums before this world was set up), I have to say that I'm not at all happy that I can't enter the proper side/track designations. It seems very unsatisfactory to have to enter them as if they were CDs and then - if bothered - to add notes saying which tracks on which side.
Is there a way of setting it so that - when selecting 'Vinyl Album', 'Vinyl Box Set', etc. in the drop-down - it will change the entry options for the tracks? Is it best to add to LP World first (just to get the data in) , then to classical world. |
| 25th Jan 2015, 11:42 PM | #23 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | The data fields are different for the two Worlds so you can't directly copy and paste: better to add Classical items in Classical World first, and then you can think if you want to do it all again. Unless the record has an obvious interest to pop collectors! |
| 15th Oct 2016, 5:25 PM | #24 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | I made it known I'd dropped a hairy one yesterday by duplicating an entry in Classical World... ...but it does highlight an issue that needs tending to: I think we have enough records there to start gathering label susiduarires under the parent label banners now... HMV, His Master's Voice, His Master's Voice Angel Series, Greensleeves etc. hopefully this will stop an arse of two ends such as myself from repeating my error in future. (May both my thumbs fall off, and my poo come out sideways!) |
| 28th Oct 2016, 5:03 PM | #25 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Just received following message when I tried to select my Classical collection list from my page: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare PrintCollectionOption() (previously declared in /home/worlds45/domains/45worlds.com/public_html/45worlds/45w_inc_collection_dropdown.php:4) in /home/worlds45/domains/45worlds.com/public_html/45worlds/45w_inc_collection_dropdown.php on line 23  |
| 6th Apr 2017, 10:36 PM | #26 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Been a couple of days since I looked at a particular entry on classical... (I haven't found a decent record to buy for a couple of weeks either.... getting anxious!) ... But I just looked at one and noticed there's now a separate box in the entries for composers / performers etc. Just wanted to say I like this development, and should be used as the basis for any further changes to entries, in terms of how information about the releases are presented. Both big thumbs up OC!  |
| 8th Apr 2017, 8:59 AM | #27 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Also, a suggestion would be to have a place in the box for Opus number (Op. / "K" number - "BW" "BV" etc.) ((Top 50 viewed hasn't worked for last couple of days either... it's frozen)) |
| 13th Apr 2017, 2:29 PM | #28 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Just submitted a couple of albums using the new format... a lot easier with the drop down boxes for composer / conductor / etc. ! Could do with a few more boxes though, for when there are multiple artists etc. (And, being cheeky, if I could suggest that when you select a compose in the drop down box above, it appears in the composer field under the tracks? - and In the case of having two or more works on one disc by different composers, the first composer being the default, but with a little drop down next to, or in the field, to switch between the different composers added in the box ? ) |
| 13th Apr 2017, 5:32 PM | #29 REPORT | |
| Orbiting Cat Member since Jan 2008 1176 Points Administrator |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
Could do with a few more boxes though, for when there are multiple artists etc.
You can add extra performers by using "Add Missing Info". Look for Classical World going live shortly! |
| 14th Apr 2017, 12:23 PM | #30 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Yippie!!! ...we have a button on the head of the home page. I do admit you were right to hold back on it though, as there was / is, clearly a lot of issues to work through with Classical music entries. - I just ad a go at adding a separate soloist in "add missing info" on one of the Jacqueline Du Pre records (added: Stephen Bishop). Works fine. Thank you Mission Control!  |
| 16th Apr 2017, 9:45 AM | #31 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | The top 50 viewed still isn't working, OC. |
| 17th Apr 2017, 4:29 PM | #32 REPORT | |
 | Vinylville You can't overdose on music. Member since Jan 2016 1046 Points | Pardon my ignorance but I have a question that might be obvious to many. Are there any guidelines to determine what is deemed Classical and can be added to this world? I'm nowhere close to being as knowledgeable about classical music as I am about popular music. I have a few entries in the 78 RPM world that clearly fit the classical mold but some are iffy. For example, Liberace. Many of his releases seem to be a classical interpretation of popular, more contemporary songs instead of classical compositions. I also have many albums containing folk and traditional songs. Some are on classical labels like Angel, Deutsche Grammophon, etc. I just don't want to clutter this world with irrelevant or unrelated entries. |
| 17th Apr 2017, 6:25 PM | #33 REPORT | |
 | Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | Before MM replies with his views, let me jump in with a reply to his comments posted on the Classical album of Moravian Folk Songs The fact that a musical style is absorbed into 'Classical Music' does not qualify that style as Classical in my view. Freddie Mercury had a distinctly operatic style to his compositions and performance, but you wouldn't argue that Queen were 'Classical'. If Classical music has its precedents they must chiefly be the music of the Roman and Orthodox Churches, coming before popular dances. I concede that Courtley dances can be considered Classical, usually having appeared as Classical compositions. My own definition is that Classical Music, whether Western, Indian or Oriental, is born of academic study at music schools and colleges, adopting the standards of such teaching. It is necessarily conservative, developing slowly. Modern Jazz might therefore also qualify as meeting the same criteria. Jazz did however develop from quite different roots, and, most importantly, sounds distinctly different! I would argue that Folk and Pop are intimately related, by intent and outcome: sometimes you just have to listen, then make a personal decision as to which world an artist belongs in. |
| 17th Apr 2017, 6:45 PM | #34 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | I'm happy to concede the point to someone who has a better understanding of classical world than me... I'm a bit of a Forest Gump in Classical world... ...and the wandering 45worlds village idiot in general  (I'm here to learn in the main, but sometimes, when you're uncertain, you've just got to chuck it at the wall, and see if it sticks) I had been hoping to have more people like Gill (and keebrev, who has contributed a lot) on site who know more about this kind of thing, to help point me the right way on occasion. ((Speaking of which, a point that has been increasingly nagging me on this score, is whether Deutsche Grammophon ought to have it's full title applied, with the Gesselshaft bit added - it probably drives classical people nuts to see so many added with the curtailed name)) |
| 17th Apr 2017, 8:04 PM | #35 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | If I may add my two penneth... I always understood Classical World to be about Western classical music, which comes out of the baroque tradition. While it may be hard to define exactly, there are certain traits - historically, it's music from, say the Renaissance period until about the 19th century, including also music from then onwards in the older tradition. (Holst, for example.) It should rely on 'classical' instruments - pianos, strings, brass etc. and other than opera, will usually be non-vocal. (So Freddie Mercury doesn't count.) I would rule out Indian classical, and folk music, and jazz. |
| 17th Apr 2017, 8:34 PM | #36 REPORT | |
| Vinylville You can't overdose on music. Member since Jan 2016 1046 Points | I'll use my best judgement and learn as I go. Chuck and stick, baby! Chuck and stick! |
| 18th Apr 2017, 8:39 AM | #37 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Well I think the debate has already started by the looks of things... probably why many have been unsure about adding things in classical world. (And, it's very "info intensive" on the entries, which looks like hard work) But even though the world has been in beta for a fair while, there's still a lot that needs working on, and we've still only got comparatively few entries - a lot of the "staple food groups" of labels and artists may yet be missing.... ...So perhaps, if we just focus in the overtly classical entries for now- yer Mozarts / Beethovens - Symphonies, Operas, etc., and buld that foundation, then we can get into the more dubious stuff later, and have that debate then, we can chew the edges of reason at our leisure. |
| 18th Apr 2017, 9:30 AM | #38 REPORT | |
| Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | Well said! Let's all work to get our records by those composers on - any format. It's probably a little easier to make entries on Classical World than on Album worlds, because 'Artist' can be broadly defined, with orchestras, conductors, choirs and soloists added separately using the new 'Performers' feature. |
| 18th Apr 2017, 4:28 PM | #39 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3735 Points Moderator | Just done some work in Classical World, adding artists to their respective boxes, and I'll juts do a little each day in this way... ...But are their any "big fish" still notable by their absence in this world (composers, soloists, labels, etc.)? I can try to target a few of them next time I'm out on the forage if there are |
| 19th Apr 2017, 7:00 AM | #40 REPORT | |
 | PhilMH Member since Jan 2012 1054 Points | ((Speaking of which, a point that has been increasingly nagging me on this score, is whether Deutsche Grammophon ought to have it's full title applied, with the Gesselshaft bit added - it probably drives classical people nuts to see so many added with the curtailed name))[/quote] Well, the name was curtailed on the actual label sometime in the 60s? 70s? My guess (and that's all it is) is that they wanted to make a distinction between the label and the D.G.G. company which owned other labels like Archiv, Polydor, Heliodor, Karrussell, etc and distributed overseas labels like MGM, Stax, RSO and so on. I would just use the shortened form, which is still in use. |
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