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| 1st Sep 2020, 5:02 AM | #1 REPORT | |
 | whitewhale1965 Let's make it Better! Member since Jun 2012 12546 Points | When there are 2 artists with the same name, how does 45worlds figure out which band gets an extra word added to its name to discern between them? I ask because in CD albums both Crowbar bands appear to have items beginning in 1992 but the Canadian group has the added [Canada] to discern between them. BUT... In Vinyl albums the original, one and only Crowbar is called Crowbar. SO... between the two worlds, the real and first Crowbar has 2 different names. AND... this carries over in Tape media where the real Crowbar is called Crowbar. Being Canadian may make me look biased, and I probably am, but I believe the other Crowbar should have the extra delineation. |
| 1st Sep 2020, 9:07 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3773 Points Moderator | I have not looked at Crowbar yet, but in general, I think all mods try to adjust band name distinctions to keep in line with 45 cat, where, of course, they exist. ...But it must be remembered that 45 cat is older than 45worlds, and has had a lot more time, work, and development gone into it, and even when it comes to worlds within Worlds, the same is true: Vinyl albums is more developed than other media worlds such as tape media, which needs more work. (We're going at CD worlds at the moment as much as we can) There will be, and are, many things that just haven't been gotten around to yet, to greater or lesser degrees, depending on where you're looking. Also, remember that mods and members may favour a certain type of media, and spend more time in one than another(s), so they might not be aware of differences between worlds - we'll get to it, but that's why we rely on members to submit corrections when they become aware of something that needs changing, because the site(s) draws on he collective pool of individual expertise and knowledge to help make a reliable database... No one individual knows everything about everything. I think, as well, admin have said many times that they work off the premise that this (they) is a UK based site, and favours that, not least for purely practical reasons, in that you have to have one fixed point, or set of points of reference, to which everything else is relative. ...Now.... which band should I look at next? :)  |
| 1st Sep 2020, 11:52 AM | #3 REPORT | |
 | sladesounds Turning rebellion into money since 1962 Member since Nov 2009 6576 Points Moderator | When this crops up in 45worlds I use the band name in 45cat as the way forward. With regards to who get the suffix added it normally works on a first come first served basis. However there is no hardened rule on this and things an be changed if there is a good reason to do so. I have hopefully sorted this now in 45cat and 45world to an agreeable solution. The Canadian band comes first having been around since 1970s and the other Crowbar is shown as Crowbar [USA] given they originated in the 90s from Louisiana. Edited by sladesounds on 1st Sep 2020, 11:59 AM |
| 1st Sep 2020, 2:05 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | Charlie Chalk Self praise is no recommendation. Member since Oct 2011 45587 Points Moderator | In cases where there is one particularly well-known artist, I tend to add the suffix to the other similarly named acts. |
| 1st Sep 2020, 5:19 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5162 Points Moderator |
Charlie Chalk wrote:
In cases where there is one particularly well-known artist, I tend to add the suffix to the other similarly named acts.
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| 1st Sep 2020, 5:23 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | 23skidoo Member since Jul 2014 4203 Points | You should try being a Bill Haley and His Comets fan; since Haley died in 1981 there have been about a half dozen different groups using the name Bill Haley's Comets or The Comets, and over the years some of these different ones have put out 45s and CDs, making it sometimes a challenge to index. |
| 2nd Sep 2020, 11:28 AM | #7 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3773 Points Moderator | Usually you can distinguish by date, as no two bands are allowed to have exactly the same name at the same time according to the gods of music.... only when one has become defunct can another band use it, unless some slight and subtle variation is included in the band / artist name itself. See UB40, and many protracted legal issues over band name use like Pink Floyd etc. |
| 6th Sep 2020, 5:34 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| 23skidoo Member since Jul 2014 4203 Points | @Magic Marmalade The example of Bill Haley's Comets, however, is a case where you had at one point 3 bands using the name at the same time. And at one point in the mid-2000s there was a push to actually make it more difficult for that sort of thing to happen as there are a number of other older groups where you had multiple bands with the same name touring. That said, of course, this isn't, or shouldn't, be the case with modern groups. |
| 6th Sep 2020, 12:37 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3773 Points Moderator | More often than not, I think, where band "versions" who use the same name, you find that they are in some way related, and it's a haggle over who owns the name, as opposed to two unrelated bands attempting to use the same name... ...I don't know the particulars (but I'm sure someone around here knows), but there's rules around this (probably because of these kind of disputes), where you have to register your name officially, or go to court. |
| 6th Sep 2020, 12:50 PM | #10 REPORT | |
 | Steel-River-Wet SUBS M. Bolan, D. Bowie, A. Harvey & Olivia NJ. RIP x Member since Sep 2011 1896 Points |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
Usually you can distinguish by date, as no two bands are allowed to have exactly the same name at the same time according to the gods of music....only when one has become defunct can another band use it, unless some slight and subtle variation is included in the band / artist name itself.
Yes, that's correct MM |
| 6th Sep 2020, 12:59 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3773 Points Moderator | Oooh!!! ....I got got something right for once!  You always have a vague notion of these things, but not being "in the biz", never had to find out for sure... ...Now... Is the moon really made of cheese?  |
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