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| 17th Mar 2020, 8:08 PM | #21 REPORT | |
 | Quad5point1 Member since Jul 2012 10480 Points | I think the real problem here is the term "Valuation", if that could be changed to something like "Ebay Auction Tracker" that would probably throw a whole new complexion on it. |
| 18th Mar 2020, 12:38 AM | #22 REPORT | |
 | Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2271 Points | The problem people are alluding to is not the term used to describe this function. It is the problem(s) this function creates both within the site and in the wider world. Here is the Australian issue of the Doors L.A. Woman which I entered some years ago. Here the valuation is A$67 and that may well be true for the original 1971 blue Elektra label (should be shuffled to first spot behind back cover) version. However, my images and labels are of a 1980's low budget re-issue that has the same cat# and other details. I'd estimate a mint copy of my version to be worth A$25-30. So the part of the site and great attraction to many of us - the linking of all copies of an item by cat# on the same page - creates an illusion that all copies are worth a certain value. We all know this in not the case and it is clearly evident in the link above that we not valuing apples against apples. Discogs does however differentiate releases individually and therefore are able to offer much more realistic pricing for the actual release you may have. We are unable to do this because we collate the items a completely different way and that way is what lured many of us to this site in the first place. So to some of us the valuations are an ill-conceived distraction that provide wildly inaccurate information. Unless there are plans to move into the selling marketplace that we are unaware of there is no real need to have this function. Before it arrived people would just write in the notes things like " an original blue Elektra label copy went for A$ ?" and provide a link. I really don't see any need for more than this or do we want to create a false set of high values for idiots at car boot sales and second hand shops. Edited by moderator on 20th Mar 2020, 5:12 PM |
| 18th Mar 2020, 7:34 AM | #23 REPORT | |
 | janiejjones Member since Aug 2011 4896 Points Moderator | And again a loud +1! cheers |
| 20th Mar 2020, 8:02 AM | #24 REPORT | |
 | xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3333 Points Moderator | "I really don't see any need for more than this or do we want to create a false set of high values for idiots at car boot sales and second hand shops." Couldn't agree more! The fact that the "value" that is most prominently displayed is that for the kind of copy most of us 78 rpm collectors rarely ever even see, a copy in Near Mint condition, also creates the wrong impression. The typical ebay seller won't bother with such subtleties as Condition, Condition, Condition, and think his/her worn copy needs to be priced the same as a Near Mint one "because it says so on 45worlds." Edited by xiphophilos on 20th Mar 2020, 8:08 AM |
| 25th Mar 2020, 2:41 PM | #25 REPORT | |
 | soultwinz SUBS Member since Mar 2011 1558 Points | seeing as it's not a selling site, don't see the point of posting values on this particular site..theres sites out there for that..and tbh some of the values posted on here that i've come across are rediculously high |
| 25th Mar 2020, 4:47 PM | #26 REPORT | |
| xiphophilos Member since Dec 2013 3333 Points Moderator | Ridiculous is the right word. At least for 78s, it would be far less misleading to display the auction price for VG and then to also mark it _prominently_ as an "Auction Price" rather than "Value". Almost all of the records that I own myself and that I see here marked as $20-40 or even in the $100s, I bought within the last 7 years at garage sales and on estate sales for $.50, sometimes for less. Had they been offered to me for even $5, I would not have taken them because I know it's only a matter of time before I find them somewhere else for far less. After all, the kind of music I like was _very popular_ back in the day, and most auction sites wouldn't even accept these records because they are still so common. Fortunately, there haven't been too many occasions where I simply had to walk away because people had looked at similarly inflated Ebay prices and thought they owned incredible treasures (like the South Pacific album!). I also admit that I don't feel any need to be a completist collector. To be fair, I am also aware that I would nowadays be much more likely to see many of the kind of records Mike Gann collects on an auction site than at a garage sale. Edited by xiphophilos on 26th Mar 2020, 6:43 AM |
| 25th Mar 2020, 5:23 PM | #27 REPORT | |
 | Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | As far as 78s go, I see wild variations in price .. from 25 cents to $5. Antique stores are the worst! Common 78s, Glenn Miller for example, typically get over valued. Older less common artists get reduced to the junk pile by them. Chazzas seem to be at the 25 cent to $1 mark for anything. I have found some really great and somewhat rare 78 there at that price. eBay is a whole other animal. I never go there for anything 'common', The big reason is that even at a reasonable price, the shipping here to Canada makes it not worth it. Amy |
| 31st Mar 2020, 6:08 AM | #28 REPORT | |
 | Mike Gann "They really, really ought to know" Member since May 2018 10290 Points Moderator | Xiphophilos: "To be fair, I am also aware that I would nowadays be much more likely to see many of the kind of records Mike Gann collects on an auction site than at a garage sale" A lot of the records that I collect come from someone selling off their collection, selling off a collection from someone else, or records that they found out "in the wild" as we say. Being disabled now, I'm not able to hit garage sales, yard sales, antique shops, or record shops a lot anymore even though I have found more than a few gems that way. It's a lot of fun, but it's also a crapshoot. Especially when the owner of a shop thinks that every 78 they have is valuable, or they want to waste your time when they say "let me look this up". I've walked out of quite a few shops when they hand me that line because they should have already looked it up. Facebook has several 78 buy, sell and trade groups. You can find a lot of great deals on records from sellers if there is something particular that you are looking for. And I do buy a record here and there on eBay, if I don't think the seller has lost their wits. I think the value function is a very nice thing to have myself. But I do agree that should be changed to "auction tracker". I own a lot of records that have little to no value. That doesn't mean that they are bad records. When it's all said and done, the value of a record is what you put on it as far as personal enjoyment, and how well you sleep at night knowing that you own a copy. |
| 14th Apr 2020, 10:09 PM | #29 REPORT | |
| HMPass Member since Apr 2020 3 Points | Hello all Hoping ur coping during covid springtime. Here's the t - inherited stacks of LPs Working my way thru keep and pass along Came across some beautiful keepers but where to research valuations just seArching? Finding my Hail Mary pass for financial shoring up I'm sure there are a few albums I might part with once I finish creating my library. Any advice is appreciated Ricardo |
| 15th Apr 2020, 1:45 PM | #30 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3708 Points Moderator | Hello Ricardo! I think the usual advice offered to anyone venturing afresh into the market is to perhaps get a copy Record Collector Magazine's: Rare Record Price Guide... (But this is of limited and diminishing value in my opinion, as it's published every couple of years, excludes way too much that isn't strictly, and exclusively UK issue, and the genre focus is more specialised... and frankly, it can't keep up with market changes anymore) ...or head over to Discogs, for an active market, or check ebay's sold listings (available listings are over-inflated and wildly optimistic). You can also see collated auction data at Popsike or Gripsweat. (Gripsweat has unlimited searches for non members, but basically does the same thing as Popsike). I would however be cautious right now, as (sorry for referring to it) I personally think The Coronavirus and it's economic effects subsequently are going to "correct" market values, which have been creeping up inexorably for a few years now, and I don't think achieving previous market values may be feasible after this. (This is why I have refrained from adding any valuations to this site and 45cat, as I think they are pretty much, at a stroke, rendered obsolete - except for the occasional exceptional items). But good luck selling, and keep a particular eye out for certain Classical music albums (often overlooked in general reckoning)... that's where the real money is to be found most often. |
| 15th Apr 2020, 5:46 PM | #31 REPORT | |
| HMPass Member since Apr 2020 3 Points | Wow! An education and good info. It's funny cuz one of the reasons I asked was I found Andre Previn and his trio Give my regards to Broadway The lp is in a sealed plastic sleeve, Haha - Broadway is supposed to be in my people's genes-and I do love a good tune. All the listening I've been doing (downsized then covided into seclusion) has afforded the task of slogging thru mom's old collection. But oh the music I've found, the history and insight into the times back when. The liner notes read like letters of recommendation of good friends sometimes but I'm just mostly glad for the experience...even if it's all on my lonesome. Thank you everyone for the information- I believe I will just keep what I like and figure out where to crop off the things not to my immediate liking. Haha, that still leaves 4 crates of naked LPs Best regards to you all Ricardo Edited by moderator on 18th Apr 2020, 8:52 AM |
| 16th Apr 2020, 7:05 PM | #32 REPORT | |
 | sladesounds Turning rebellion into money since 1962 Member since Nov 2009 6544 Points Moderator | As said by MM head over to Discogs and check the items you have there but be aware the general market is not great and you may be disappointed. For example the Broadway record you mention can be picked up stateside here in near mint condition from $3 plus shipping |
| 26th Apr 2020, 7:48 PM | #33 REPORT | |
| scrough No picture 'cos I'm not into 45rpm :( Member since Jan 2013 3315 Points Moderator | I've just picked up 14 78rpms on ebay for £13.70 (plus £8 postage). That price is much more representative of 'real' values. But how can I enter them? See this post for more details. |
| 26th Apr 2020, 9:24 PM | #34 REPORT | |
 | Redpunk Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 24902 Points Moderator | To be honest when the value gets too low it's more of a handling charge than what's the record worth. Some dealers minimum price for a 78 is £5. The fact I bought a job lot of 1500 78's for £65 has no relation to what each individual one is worth it's just what the seller asked for and I was quite happy to pay on that day. |
| 27th Apr 2020, 10:52 AM | #35 REPORT | |
 | Orbiting Cat Member since Jan 2008 1164 Points Administrator |
scrough wrote:
I've just picked up 14 78rpms on ebay for £13.70 (plus £8 postage). That price is much more representative of 'real' values. But how can I enter them? See this post for more details.
Enter what you think is an accurate valuation for each item. We set a minimum of £1/$1 to keep things manageable. If you want you can add a valuation comment explaining that the item may be worth less than £1. |
| 29th Jul 2024, 5:46 PM | #36 REPORT | |
 | mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1117 Points | Four years later and it’s still here. I personally like the feature, as it’s useful for helping me know what I should pay for a record. Perhaps it should be restricted to sold prices with links on Popsike, Discogs, eBay etc? |
| 29th Jul 2024, 6:35 PM | #37 REPORT | |
 | getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 874 Points Moderator |
Redpunk wrote:
To be honest when the value gets too low it's more of a handling charge than what's the record worth. Some dealers minimum price for a 78 is £5.
The fact I bought a job lot of 1500 78's for £65 has no relation to what each individual one is worth it's just what the seller asked for and I was quite happy to pay on that day. Four years later and did you manage to recoup your £65. |
| 29th Jul 2024, 6:47 PM | #38 REPORT | |
| Redpunk Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 24902 Points Moderator | To be honest I don't really make any money on 78's I usually give away my surplus records. |
| 29th Jul 2024, 10:04 PM | #39 REPORT | |
| getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 874 Points Moderator |
Redpunk wrote:
To be honest I don't really make any money on 78's I usually give away my surplus records.
And the next one takes what wanted and then pass on the rest. In time 45s will go the same route.  |
| 30th Jul 2024, 12:57 AM | #40 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1117 Points | I thought I’d try adding valuations of the later (1959 onwards) UK number ones on 78rpm format using links to sold prices on eBay (via Popsike) and Discogs. Elvis Presley’s One Night / I Got Stung has over 300 results on Popsike, so I think I’ll just stick to the last five years of sales for that. |
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